From Australia to MTE: A Journey in Detailing
This podcast episode delves into the experiences and insights derived from participation in the Mobile Tech Expo (MTE), particularly highlighting the significance of education in the detailing industry. We explore the value of continuous learning, as we discuss our personal journeys through various training programs and competitions, emphasizing the importance of honing one's skills to provide exceptional service, especially when handling high-value vehicles. The conversation also touches upon the evolving landscape of automotive detailing, with an eye toward emerging technologies and techniques, as well as the challenges faced by professionals in maintaining quality standards in the face of evolving materials and customer expectations. Furthermore, we reflect on the camaraderie fostered within the detailing community, underlining how shared experiences at events like MTE enrich our understanding and capabilities. Join us as we navigate the intricacies of detailing, the importance of education, and the future of our craft.
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I've heard some really nightmares from other.
Speaker A:From other people where they've just started Wet sang on a brand new amg.
Speaker A:Like, why would you want to do that?
Speaker A:Like, you know.
Speaker B:How you doing?
Speaker A:Good, thank you, Alex.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for having me on the show and hello to all the listeners.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, man, I, I was excited to meet you at mte.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker B:We met in the Aquatech booth, knew Jason and Mike from before.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And then you.
Speaker B:We were able to squeeze you into the paint correction competition, which congratulations on third place.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that was exciting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You came on a hope and whim because you didn't get signed up in time.
Speaker B:So you, you just brought your stuff with you and was like, tried to get in where you could fit in and.
Speaker B:And we got you.
Speaker B:So it was awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So yeah, I was just walking around, you know, in circles around the.
Speaker A:The booth there, and I was, yeah.
Speaker A:Hoping that I could get at least a involvement in it and.
Speaker A:Yeah, so, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's how it was.
Speaker B:No, that's awesome.
Speaker B:I'm glad we were able to get you in because it, it really helped, I feel like, make it a true international competition because we had you and then we had Don and Paulo from Canada, so we had a few countries representing, which was awesome.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And it actually.
Speaker B:So actually you got third place.
Speaker B:We had an Australian get third place, then Apollo got second, so we had a Canadian get second.
Speaker B:And then good old USA came out on top with.
Speaker B:With Mike Grant.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it was awesome that that out of the three countries that were kind of represented.
Speaker B:Yeah, they all placed.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker A:No, that was a fantastic thing.
Speaker A:The only disappointing thing is I didn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, I didn't turn up for the presentation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was so excited with the other, like, the people at the show that I just started donating my time to help them pack up and, and you know, and just picking up their.
Speaker A:Their stage show and all that stuff and just talking to people from all over the place.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, no, I mean, hey, at least we ran into you before Sheldon dipped out.
Speaker B:We were able to get you your trophy and your prizes and everything.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:Well, if I was there, I would like to say thank you to MTE and, And, you know, accepting of the, the prizes and all that.
Speaker A:That was exciting.
Speaker A:Very exciting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I know we spoke a little bit.
Speaker B:So this was your.
Speaker B:Your first mte.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So, you know, just for the people, you know, kind of listening, what was your, you know, like coming for all the way from Australia to Mobile tech.
Speaker B:So I mean, like for.
Speaker B:Because the Australians too, like, let them know why maybe they should make the trip to mte because we.
Speaker B:I do have a pretty decent listenership in, in Australia.
Speaker B:So yes, I'd love to have more, you know, Aussies come over and, and hang out with us for a few days at mobile tech.
Speaker B:So, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Fun.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, for years I was going to SEMA and, and seem is a fantastic place and all that, but always had the back of my mind I've got to go to, you know, MTE and.
Speaker A:And what just to find out like, what's it like?
Speaker A:Is it like, you know, a section of SEMA or something like that?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But also I was starting to realize, like, it's more, can I say, for mobile issues and things like that.
Speaker A:So I said I always wanted to go and it could be an extension from SEMA and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker A:Not only that, but the education day at nte, that was exciting.
Speaker A:I know you can't say everything in 45 minutes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But at least, but at least it gives you an overall aspect of, of the topics that they explain all that and it can be a good insight to, to more of understanding.
Speaker A:It's always good to learn every day, I believe because, you know, technology is changing and products are changing, things like that, keeping up with the times.
Speaker A:And yeah, I encourage anybody from Australia to, you know, to go there because I think for me, America has been the place to learn and understand more about what, like in my field, in the detailing field of what's going on.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We always seem like for me in Australia, it always seems to be, you know, after almost after something.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's the only thing that I, that I.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's the only I get out of it.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's one of the things.
Speaker B:I mean the few Australians that I've had on before with the cams and Daryl.
Speaker B:Not Daryl, Dale and, and Maddie, that's the one thing that they've always said is.
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker B:You guys are kind of always behind.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's late getting, you know, from, from either from Europe or from America.
Speaker B:Whatever, the, the thing, the product, the tool, the whatever is getting to you guys is always late.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So yeah, I mean that's, it's, it's cool.
Speaker B:So let me ask you this because I'm.
Speaker B:I'm always more excited for MTE than I think I am for sema.
Speaker B:If you could only choose one to go to, which one would you choose?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And why?
Speaker A:Well, after the first experience, I think MTE is great.
Speaker A:So I would choose mte.
Speaker A:It's more on a personal level.
Speaker A:I saw it.
Speaker A:Anything you want to know related to the detailing community.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's the place to go.
Speaker A:Whereas compared to semar, it's more of a show products, atmosphere because it's huge.
Speaker A:Obviously we don't have the population like the usa, but.
Speaker A:But I think for more indulgence, I think the MTE is.
Speaker A:Is better.
Speaker A:Better down that road, I would take after the first experience, but I mean.
Speaker A:But going for years at sema, it's just.
Speaker A:It's like a big show sort of, in a sense, but where simte is more, I think, tailored for.
Speaker A:For the detailer.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's the thing that I've.
Speaker B:I've always said over the years is like, empty or SEMA's the party, you know, that's.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You go to Vegas, you party, you hang out, you probably go to the show for a little bit or whatever.
Speaker A:Well, I've done.
Speaker B:Whereas MTE is.
Speaker B:Is like.
Speaker B:That's kind of like the, you know, that's kind of like the reunion.
Speaker B:That's kind of like, you know, the family reunion.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Everybody gets together, hangs out, like, everybody's most part on property and the.
Speaker B:In the hotel, you know, convention center and everything.
Speaker B:So, you know, that's the thing I always say is, like, when SEMA's over, like, they kick you out of the convention center and everybody kind of goes their separate ways, and you.
Speaker B:You kind of hope you meet up to them.
Speaker B:Whereas with mte, you walk out and there's a crowd of people standing out in the hallway and everybody continues to have conversations.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, till Whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, one thing, I must say, everybody there was rel related because we're all coming from that same industry, not from different other industries.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Whereas, you know, sema, you got like, ties and every part of the car.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Whereas here.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's more, you know, straight.
Speaker A:Straight lined up.
Speaker A:Everything's all lined up for you here.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:On a personal level.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's very good.
Speaker A:It's very good.
Speaker B:So are you gonna come back next year?
Speaker B:You're gonna.
Speaker B:You're gonna try to.
Speaker B:You're gonna try to improve upon your third Place.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I will come back and I'll.
Speaker A:I'll.
Speaker A:I'll have to make my own little model of at home here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And just do a couple of practices because I, I still felt like I had another extra 10 seconds left to go within that five minutes of that polishing contest.
Speaker A:And I think the extra 10 seconds would have helped, but it's just, you know, when you, when you just walk in and it's all right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You want to go.
Speaker A:Okay, I'll pay now and jump on.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, it's all, you know, life moments.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And again, you didn't, you didn't have your own tool and pads and everything.
Speaker B:You just brought your own chemicals.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, I mean, like, did the.
Speaker A:Basically.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, like, were you able to get the, the correct tool that you needed to use and pads and everything?
Speaker A:Yeah, well, well, Jason Rose, who was running the, the show there, he was and, you know, asking for the names and things like that.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:Yeah, he just basically said, look, what do you need?
Speaker A:And all that.
Speaker A:And yeah, he got it.
Speaker A:He got it all there for me.
Speaker A:Ready to go.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:And, yeah, so, yeah, so because of our voltage, you know, here in Australia and compared to the American voltage.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course, you know, it's 110, and here we've got 240.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was, you know, I wish I could have bought my machine, but.
Speaker A:Because actually the, my machine is still the Rupees Mark one.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:The old.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, I, I still think, I still think, you know, the principles are still the same.
Speaker A:They still perform just as well.
Speaker A:But I'm sure, you know, with the Mark iii, which I, Which I did work on there.
Speaker A:Yeah, there.
Speaker A:There are vast improvements on there, too, as well.
Speaker B:Yeah, my, My favorite's the two.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:I have two twos and then one Es or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I wasn't a big fan of the Mark iii.
Speaker B:I, I got one.
Speaker B:I, I wasn't a fan of the, The.
Speaker B:The new trigger.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:How you can kind of like slow pull it or whatever.
Speaker B:I just wasn't a fan of that.
Speaker B:And then I also wasn't a fan of the bigger speed dial.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Because it's more open and I tend to choke up more on the handle versus kind of down low.
Speaker B:And so what happens is my hand, because I choke up higher, my hand ends up hitting the, the speed indicator and.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And moving it either up or down.
Speaker B:So I like the, I like the old Speed dial on the mark ones and the mark twos because I can choke up higher.
Speaker B:It's a smaller, thinner dial and it doesn't, doesn't turn on me.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So yeah, so I found one of my buddies had a, a very slightly used Mark ii.
Speaker B:I mean it was basically brand new and I was like, hey man, I'll trade you, I'll trade you my Mark III from, for that Mark ii.
Speaker B:And he's like, why?
Speaker B:And I was like, dude, I, I just don't, you know, like this one's cooler but like I want that one.
Speaker B:And he's like, okay, so like, so he traded.
Speaker A:Right, right, right, right, right.
Speaker A:Geez.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So yeah, so that's, that's, but that's cool that you're still using a, an old Es and everything because that's.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Because I also, I also joined part of the, the Bigfoot Academy too as well.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I did all that and I just, I just stuck with the machine.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was, it's a machine that's gone on my journey sort of in a sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, that's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And it's probably made you a ton of money, hasn't it, along the way?
Speaker A:Well, well, it's been.
Speaker A:Yeah, but yeah, because like before that.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was working other machines.
Speaker A:I was working on festools machines.
Speaker A:I had a shine X which was a rotary that.
Speaker A:And then there was the Rotex, the Festival Rotex, the 1 2, 5.
Speaker A:That changes mode and all that sort of stuff from you know, Direct and.
Speaker A:Or Random Orbital.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So yeah, it's interesting, you know, collection of tools.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So, so tell me a little bit about like your like what kind of detailing and stuff do you do there in Australia?
Speaker A:Yeah, I do a large variety of different detailing.
Speaker A:I have my like for example, my weekly clients, I look after their vehicles.
Speaker A:So there's that type of detailing.
Speaker A:I also do a fleet of trucks as well.
Speaker A:So trucks that are, that go in outer areas of the suburbs and all that, they collect a lot of dirt and things like that.
Speaker A:I do that type of detailing and then yeah, just other aspects of detailing.
Speaker A:Like I might do a little bit of windscreen repair.
Speaker A:What else?
Speaker A:Sometimes you know, those very fine chips of paint and things like that.
Speaker A:That type of detailing.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, just, just, yeah, little aspects of that.
Speaker A:Because I'm only a one man band sort of show.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, yeah, I just, I can only do so much in a day.
Speaker B:Yeah, same, Same here.
Speaker B:I tell people all the time.
Speaker B:It's, it's just me.
Speaker B:And I'm not getting any younger, so, like, yes, book what I can do.
Speaker B:And, and that's it.
Speaker B:It's, it's, you know, my, my good friend Alan Medcraft told me years ago, he's like, yeah, you just have a lifestyle business.
Speaker B:You know, it just keeps you in the lifestyle that, that you need to be in.
Speaker B:And yeah, you know, and that's, that's the thing.
Speaker B:It's, it's always funny because I, you know, like, I always get the phone calls, you know, from the people that are like, oh, we can help grow your business.
Speaker B:We can give you this, we can give you that.
Speaker B:I'm like, look, man, like, I'm not trying to grow my business.
Speaker B:Like, I, I have, I have the, have, you know, like a couple of new ones, trickle in or whatever, but I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not trying to be a big giant shop, you know, I'm not trying to have employees or any of that stuff.
Speaker B:And it's, and it's funny because, like, they, I think they're just so used to calling detailers, you know, and be like, oh, we can help grow your business.
Speaker B:We can get you 30 extra coatings a month.
Speaker B:And, you know, they're probably like, yeah, sign me up.
Speaker B:And I'm like, nah, not for me.
Speaker B:Like, I'm good, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I, I, it's funny, Alex, the, I get phone calls every week and there's always people like, oh, look, are you interested in getting more work?
Speaker A:And, you know, earning that $10,000 a month?
Speaker A:And I say, no, you know, and these days I don't even answer the phone anymore.
Speaker A:I just leave it on voicemail and, and yeah, let, let the rest look after itself.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Because I, I started, I started, I started to realize, like, that's those type of phone calls, they just waste my time of the day.
Speaker A:You know, I'm like, I'm supposed to be, you know, working and all that.
Speaker A:Our jobs are very laborious jobs.
Speaker A:You know, we are also, you know, phone receptionists and accountants and, and, you know, all these things, you know, they just take time of the day.
Speaker A:And as you said before, like, I don't even want to grow my business.
Speaker A:I just want to stay, like, in a job and look after my clients.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like, my clients are my bosses.
Speaker A:You know, that's, that's, that's how I, that's how I, I come across.
Speaker A:Whatever they design their vehicle, I'll do it my, I'll do my best.
Speaker A:And yeah, always try, try to help out all the time.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, that's, that's awesome.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you, you said that you, you came over for the Bigfoot Academy and you come over for sema.
Speaker B:Is it something that you do kind of regularly coming over to the States to either learn or attend the trade shows?
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm always, always, you know, looking and learning ahead all the time.
Speaker A:It's just, it's just basically keeping up with, you know, technology and products and things like that.
Speaker A:What's going on in the industry that, that's more important for me because as I said, like, there's always something to learn every day.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you know, like, you just never know.
Speaker A:Like, you know, when I look after my clients, you just never know.
Speaker A:Like there could be someone behind you taking over my job.
Speaker A:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker A:But it's just more of a sense of being knowledgeable and not talking rubbish to people and things like that too as well.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's, I believe it's a good conversation piece if because being, try to, being a professional, you have to come across, you know, as a professional.
Speaker A:Ellen job.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Can't just rock up.
Speaker A:You can't just rock up and you know, hey look, I've got a bucket and a sponge and well, I mean.
Speaker B:I don't know, I don't know how long you've hung out in, in the, in the U.
Speaker B:S for, but that's how most people seem to get their start is right.
Speaker A:Okay, okay, just go, go down and.
Speaker B:Buy one of the chemical guys or whatever, bucket starter kits.
Speaker B:And I'm a detailer now.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:That, that really impresses me when I sometimes come across people.
Speaker A:For example, if I sometimes I, I head out to businesses and then other businesses have got detailers there and I sort of ask them, I say listen, look, where did you get taught?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the only reply get is Google.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know why?
Speaker A:I said, but why, why do you do that?
Speaker A:I said, and I, I try and give my advice.
Speaker A:I said listen, look, why don't you go and buy yourself a ticket, a plane ticket and go to head off to the U.S.
Speaker A:yeah.
Speaker A:Because if you, if you're interested, there's a lot of people out there that can help you out.
Speaker A:You know, what you see on Google and what you, whatever you type up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There are results there.
Speaker A:But the results, are they real results or they just fake results?
Speaker B:Right, exactly.
Speaker A:You know, someone may show something on, on YouTube or something like that, but then that may look all right.
Speaker A:But then what would it look like in three months time or 10 months time?
Speaker A:You know, it's always good to show something.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, look, I did this and, and I did that.
Speaker A:But then what are the true results?
Speaker A:You know, down, down, down the path somewhere, you know.
Speaker B:Oh, exactly.
Speaker B:I had, I, I went and saw one of my regular clients today.
Speaker B:She's got a, a 911 and I, I maintenance it every week or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And when I got into.
Speaker B:To vacuum it, like I could smell a strong chemical smell.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Like her car doesn't ever do this or whatever.
Speaker B:And so when I'm knocking it out, then when I noticed on the dry or on the passenger side, the carpet had the lines in it, you know, the old detailer brush line.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Like I felt, I felt cheated on.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And you know, so I mean, we pollen down.
Speaker B:Pollen here right now is just like super crazy.
Speaker B:It's, it's so dry.
Speaker B:Hasn't rained in a while.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But the car looked dirty, so I was like, well, that's weird.
Speaker B:Like if she just had the interior done.
Speaker B:So I never really talked to her.
Speaker B:I have garage codes, so I open the garage, I do my thing, and then I leave in the morning.
Speaker B:So I shot her a text message and was just kind of like, you know, hey, I noticed a real chemical smell in your car.
Speaker B:That's pretty strong.
Speaker B:Did you have the, you know, clean the inside or whatever?
Speaker B:And so she replied back.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, yeah, I went in for service and they did it.
Speaker B:Detail on it.
Speaker B:She goes, I don't like that smell.
Speaker B:She's like, I'm trying to figure out what it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, so, so that I, I hit her with the, well, if it doesn't go away, let me know because yeah, I have, I have an odor out system.
Speaker B:I can take care of that.
Speaker B:And I said, and I'm pretty sure because Obviously it's a 911, it's a expensive car, you take it for service.
Speaker B:Typically they, they do, you know, you know, the maintenance detail, kind of, whatever, you know.
Speaker B:So I told her, I said, I said, well, just so you know, I, I'm sure you didn't pay for it, but if you did, I, I do offer those other services.
Speaker B:Because all she's ever had to do is, is washes.
Speaker B:Because it's a convertible.
Speaker B:She doesn't want to run it through the, the ton of wash or whatever.
Speaker B:So I was like, yeah, I can do those services and I won't leave it smelling like chemicals when I'm done with it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she was like, oh, that's great to know.
Speaker B:She's like, I'll let you know if it doesn't go away next week, then I'll, I'll, I'll ask you to do that odor out service or whatever.
Speaker B:So, yeah, hopefully think thank you.
Speaker B:Porsche just made me a little bit extra money, so.
Speaker B:But I mean, it's kind of the same thing, right?
Speaker B:I mean, like, I feel like, I feel like our dealership detailers don't have a ton of experience.
Speaker B:You know, they're, they're people that are just.
Speaker B:And, and I'll say it lightly, not every dealership detail, because I do know some that are working at dealerships that, that are amazing.
Speaker B:But a lot of the dealerships we have down here, their, their detail shops are, are kind of owned by, by companies like Tap Seal and, and Armored Protection or Armored Butler, whatever.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Right to me, I always feel like those were the guys that couldn't make it in the car wash detail shop.
Speaker B:Because I remember.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:When I, when I ran the car wash detail shop, if somebody didn't cut it, we let them go.
Speaker B:You know, they'd be like, well, I'm just gonna go to the dealership and get a job.
Speaker B:Like, go on then, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's what I, what I find frustrating here in Australia is that dealerships such premium brands don't give premium results.
Speaker B:It's the same here.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's really, really funny.
Speaker A:I find that really funny because, like, I've seen some interesting things on vehicles and I just.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just can't believe.
Speaker A:Sometimes I just can't believe my eyes.
Speaker A:Like even if they did something.
Speaker A:But then.
Speaker A:Did someone check, inspect the vehicle after it's given to the new owner?
Speaker A:Just, just certain things like that.
Speaker A:I want to be negative, but it's just, I find really, really interesting stuff on there.
Speaker A:And then, you know, even owners themselves.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:But it's a brand new car, but.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a brand new car.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it's got faults on it too as well.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, I just, I just, Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:Sometimes I'm just in shock.
Speaker A:Sometimes I don't even know what to say.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, I, I always, I always love the.
Speaker B:It's a brand new car.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, but how long did it sit on the lot?
Speaker B:Like how many.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Days.
Speaker B:Was it like, you know, hit with the old, you know, pressure washer and left out in the sun to dry?
Speaker B:And now you've got all these water spots and marring marks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And everything like that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I always like to tell people about how many days did it sit on a lot before you bought it?
Speaker B:You know, how many times they wash it because somebody test drove it, you know, and it needed to be cleaned again, you know, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker A:I had once where an owner had picked up this car and drove it straight to my.
Speaker A:My studio at my home here and said, look, I've just come straight away from.
Speaker A:From a suburb, from the car yard, and yeah, I want to show it to you right now and I want you to do this to my car.
Speaker A:And I said, where was this car in the lot?
Speaker A:He goes, oh, it was on the showroom floor.
Speaker A:And I said, I said, well, you just bought probably the worst car out of the lot because the thing is, it's just filled with so many products on there to h.
Speaker A:Imperfections that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That car is there in the showroom force for a reason.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When it's displayed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's the sort of thing.
Speaker A:And then by the time I started work on it, I.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:Like all the, the certain soaps that I use to dissolve all those products on the car.
Speaker A:Like, it took me one example, it just took like two and a half hours just to wash it.
Speaker A:And then I could start seeing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I could start seeing all these imperfections in the paint and where they've touched up.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's the reason why I never buy a car off the showroom floor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I remember a few years.
Speaker B:A few years back, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't remember when it was.
Speaker B:It was a while back.
Speaker B:We went to the Acura dealership because Michelle was thinking about getting an mdx.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Or an rdx.
Speaker B:I can't remember which one.
Speaker B:So we, we went to the Acura dealership and we're, you know, she was test driving, seeing what she liked.
Speaker B:And I remember we walked in the showroom and they had a brand new, like, 65,000MDX sitting in the showroom.
Speaker B:Black.
Speaker B:Beautiful.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And we walked.
Speaker B:We walked by and like, Michelle nudges me and I'm like, what?
Speaker B:And she's like, points at the hood.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because I, I wasn't even paying attention.
Speaker B:I was just like, you know, we're not buying a car today.
Speaker B:Like, why are you dragging me out here?
Speaker B:Kind of thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, she just wanted to see if she liked it.
Speaker B:And, and so she nudges me and points at the hood.
Speaker B:I look at it, you know, and like the real nice, you know, recessed light that they had in the showroom to shine down on the cars and everything was just a giant, like, swirl spider, you know, like it just, you know, the, the swirl marks go out from the light.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I start laughing and, and the sales guy's like, oh, you know, something, something up.
Speaker B:And I, I said, I'm a detailer.
Speaker B:I own a detail business.
Speaker B:She was just showing me the hood.
Speaker B:And he goes, yeah, he goes, our detail department's really bad.
Speaker B:So I handed him my card and I was like, well, if you want me to come fix that for you, like, here's my car.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, he's like, you know, and, but again, like, they don't do.
Speaker B:The dealership doesn't do their own detailing.
Speaker B:They hire out, they subcontract out to a company that hires detailers or whatever.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it was funny.
Speaker B:I gave him my card anyways.
Speaker B:I was like, if you want me to fix that for you, I'll come fix it.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker A:It's that, that I find that just, you know, mind boggling with those sort of results, what you just explained.
Speaker A:Because I've even had people like invite me to them, with them to go to the dealership and they invite me because I like, hey, Mark, I'm going to buy a new car.
Speaker A:Could you come with me to the dealership and have a look coin out.
Speaker B:On the bad shit.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's just that, yeah, I've come across really interesting stuff about that.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That sort of issues and some of the techniques that they using there.
Speaker A:I don't know whether it's techniques that they, it's them or it's the materials that they buy.
Speaker A:It's what's causing all this stuff.
Speaker A: hat they buy, it's still like: Speaker B:Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's not, it's not, you know, 21st century stuff at all.
Speaker A:It's, it's all bulk.
Speaker A:It's all, you know, buy as many as you can because it's cheaper that way.
Speaker A:And, and then, yeah, that's how we're going to look after cars.
Speaker B:Like that, well, that's, that's even like, Jason, so.
Speaker B:Jason, I don't know if he told you, he started working at a Porsche, Audi BMW dealership in Ohio just to, you know, get his chops back up and everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I remember the first day he, he started, he called me up and he's like, dude, he's like, I think, I think they have one wool pad that's been here since the 80s to like, to like, you know, buff cars with or whatever.
Speaker B:And I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker B:He goes, dude, this thing is like, rock hard.
Speaker B:I'm sure it's scratching cars more than it's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, doing good, you know, but he got in and, and, and I think he's, you know, kind of talked to some people and, and they've, you know, he's like slowly edging them into like, you know, some, some newer stuff, at least.
Speaker B:New stuff, right?
Speaker B:Like, new.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Thing versus, like the old stuff that they were using.
Speaker B:Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I, that's, that's how I, I, I see it.
Speaker B:And the, the other thing too, like, I kind of will give dealership detailers maybe a little bit of leeway is sometimes they just don't have the time.
Speaker B:Like, you know, the car, it's gotta go, whatever, because, like, I've got one of my good friends, he is a sales rep for Simon Ice brand here.
Speaker B:And, and okay.
Speaker B:And so a lot of his clients are dealerships and car washes, and then he has some like, detail shops and whatnot.
Speaker B:And, and, you know, they, they send him there to train these guys on how to use the Rupes machine or the Flex machine, you know, and use all their products or whatever.
Speaker B:And then he'll show up like a week later and these guys are just, you know, old school, slapping on and he's like, what happened?
Speaker B:And they're like, we don't have time to do paint correction or polishing.
Speaker B:Like, we just gotta run over it, you know, with some kind of polish that's probably got a ton of fillers in it.
Speaker B:Make it shine.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Get it out the door kind of thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, to the point to where, like when they sell ceramic coatings, they don't even apply the ceramic coating.
Speaker B:They just rip the, the warranty out of the box, fill it out and hand it to the person because we don't have time to apply it.
Speaker B:Like, we just, we just put a wax on it.
Speaker B:We give them the warranty and send them on their way.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because sometimes, even today, still, car yards, they're throwing some sort of coating on there.
Speaker A:But what's funny is that, like, for example, when I use.
Speaker A:When I wash their cars on that, I can still see where they've applied the coating.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:The way they've applied the coating.
Speaker A:So they haven't even applied it smoothly at all.
Speaker A:They've just waved it on and in that certain light, and then there's certain liquid on the paint.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker A:It just shows a reflection of their quality.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it's a.
Speaker A:It's just a very interesting industry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Of what is going on in that background there.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:As you said, it's just.
Speaker A:I think it's a time issue.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But what gets me is that when people spending, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars on these vehicles, but these vehicles have been treated like cattle.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, at some, you know, cattle station that's in the outback somewhere.
Speaker A:And then it comes to the city and here you go.
Speaker A:Here's your car presented.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's just not a very nice feeling, but, yeah, you know.
Speaker B:Well, that's like the first.
Speaker B:The first Ferrari I ever did.
Speaker B:You know, I was.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, my God, my first Ferrari.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and.
Speaker B:And the client brought it, you know, ordered it.
Speaker B:It was a.
Speaker B:The Portofino.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He brought it straight from the dealership.
Speaker B:I mean, it had, like, I don't know, 50 miles or something on it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Drove it from the dealership home, brought it to me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Said dropped it off on a Monday morning.
Speaker B:He's like, it's all yours.
Speaker B:I'm going to Chicago for the week.
Speaker B:I'll be back Friday.
Speaker B:And so I was like.
Speaker B:I was like, man, this is gonna be a breeze.
Speaker B:It's a Ferrari.
Speaker B:It's brand new.
Speaker B:Like, man, that thing was all kinds of up, like, pigtails.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:All around the rear tail lights.
Speaker B:And what's funny is, because, you know, it's the hard top convertible, so that the place that I thought was going to be absolutely easy breezy was like, when the.
Speaker B:When the rear glass folds up, you know, for.
Speaker B:For the thing.
Speaker B:For the.
Speaker A:For the top.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:You know, like, the rear glass lifts up and then the thing opens up and it folds.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And goes back down.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, that area is going to be a breeze, because that's Technically, inside the car.
Speaker B:That was the worst part of the car, with all kinds of sand marks and swirly marks and all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I spent more time correcting on that than I probably did the door.
Speaker B:And it was like, you know, half the size.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was the first time that I was like, wow.
Speaker B:Like, you really.
Speaker B:People are really, you know, paying 250, $300,000.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ferraris.
Speaker B:And they come out of the factory looking like.
Speaker B:Yes, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:I've had similar experiences too, as well, where there's a lot of money's been spent, but the.
Speaker A:The results on the car are not quite there.
Speaker A:Oh, why.
Speaker A:Why this is happening, I don't know.
Speaker A:But, like, one brand like Lamborghini.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:As.
Speaker A:As you were saying, like the pigtails and all that.
Speaker A:I've seen a lot of those on.
Speaker A:On cars like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Why they do that, I.
Speaker A:I just don't understand.
Speaker A:And not only that, but if a car's been resprayed.
Speaker A:Not resprayed, but if it's been painted at a factory, why does it come out like that?
Speaker A:Like, if it should be coming out perfectly with the finish.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then why put implement scratches on it, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I think so.
Speaker B:Like, I saw one of those, like, discovery channels, like, how it's made or something like that one time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They were doing.
Speaker B:I don't remember what exotic car they were doing, but there was a quarterly.
Speaker B:A quality control person that would go around.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, like, oh, there's a nib here, or there's a, you know, whatever there.
Speaker B:And so they would sand it down and polish it out real fast or whatever.
Speaker B:So I think a lot of it is probably just due to that.
Speaker B:But you would still think that, like, Ferrari or Lamborghini, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, they.
Speaker B:You would think that their paint booths or their paint areas would be of a better quality to not get any kind of, you know, dust or debris or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah, yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I just find that fascinating with that sort of result on that.
Speaker A:On that sort of money on a car like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I've.
Speaker A:I've also worked in the past with Esoteric, with Todd Cooper.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm one of his graduate students there, too, as well.
Speaker A:And, yeah, Todd's had a lot of Ferraris come over in his shop and.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was really amazed the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The finish on those cars before Todd starts work on those cars.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just, you know, a lot of money.
Speaker A:But then, yeah, the Results are just.
Speaker A:I don't know what's going on at the factory there.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess they make race cars.
Speaker B:They're not supposed to be pretty, I guess, or whatever.
Speaker A:Just the sound, just the sand in the fast.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:Just buy another expensive one.
Speaker B:So we can afford the, the Lewis Hamilton contract.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I heard they offered him like a hundred million dollars for like.
Speaker B:Was it $100 million for 10 years?
Speaker B:No, $100 million a year for his contract.
Speaker B:Ferrari.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:But you know what's crazy is like, so as soon.
Speaker B:So, so the thing that I read was as soon as they announced that he was coming to the team, their stock went up like.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Basically they, they made like billions of dollars in, in the stock price going up just by announcing Lewis Hamilton.
Speaker B:So I guess if they got offer him a hundred million a year to get billions of dollars in return, that's a pretty good trade off, I guess.
Speaker A:Oh, well, yeah, of course it is.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Although, I mean, he's at the end of his career, so how good's he gonna do?
Speaker B:I don't think he's gonna get the eighth world Championship.
Speaker B:I don't know if you're a Formula one guy, but I, I just don't think he's gonna get the eight.
Speaker B:I don't think you're going to Ferrari.
Speaker B:He's going to give him the eighth world Champion.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't really follow the Formula one.
Speaker A:I mean, I, I sort of see it when it comes on that.
Speaker A:But I'm not, I'm not a fanatic or anything like that.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's, that's my jam.
Speaker B:I'm like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm, I've been Jones and like, football over.
Speaker B:Football's over now here in the States and I've got.
Speaker B:What do we got?
Speaker B:I think like three more weeks or something until Formula one starts.
Speaker B:So I'm kind of.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Kind of cracking out right now.
Speaker B:Like, I don't have anything to do on the weekends.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:All right, okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:On weekends.
Speaker A:I'm still working on weekends and all that.
Speaker B:Oh, do you just.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I work on weekends and all that.
Speaker B:So do you work seven.
Speaker B:You said you work seven days or you just kind of work it as it comes?
Speaker B:So if you got to work a weekend.
Speaker A:I work.
Speaker A:Yeah, I work.
Speaker A:I work basically seven days.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I get people, you know, you should charge more and this and all that sort of Stuff, but I just, yeah.
Speaker A:As I'm sort of happy to just be in a job, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I got you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I mean technically I work seven days because I do have like, I have three maintenance clients that I take care of on Saturday.
Speaker B:But I mean, like, I start at 8:00 in the morning.
Speaker B: I'm usually done by like: Speaker B:Yeah, you know, it's, it's three cars that I do weekly, so they're not terribly, you know, dirty usually.
Speaker B:And then I do have one client Sunday morning, so I go, yeah, 8:00, I, I, I get him taken care of.
Speaker B:I'm usually back home before 9:00.
Speaker B:The kid's not even up by then, you know, the wife's barely out of bed at that point.
Speaker B:It's like, yeah, like, like, you know, I feel like, yes, I work seven days a week, but at the same time, like two of those days are really only for an hour or two.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I try not to schedule too much more and unless, unless it's good money.
Speaker B:I mean, if somebody wants to pay me for a correction and coding and the weekends only kind of work for them, then typically my rule is like, you know, as long as we're not doing anything, you know, then I'll do it because I'd rather make money versus sitting on the couch doing nothing all day.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, or, or wherever the wife would want to drag me around to, you know, rather get out of that and go make money.
Speaker B:But, but yeah, I mean like if we're not doing anything like family related or, or any of Haley's like cheerleading stuff or, or whatever, I'll, I'll go anymore weekend.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm the same.
Speaker A:I'm the same.
Speaker A:Yeah, I try to, I try to balance family life for that too as well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because yeah, I mean you can work, you know, all hours of the day, but still at the end of the day it's still family.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's just finding that balance, that's all.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That's one of the things that I really, I really tried to promote here on the, the podcast over the last year, five years now almost that, this, because I see so many of the, the younger guys, you know, that are burning the candle at both end, you know, they're in the shop till 2, 3 o'clock in the morning to get a car out so that we can get the next one in and, and it's yeah, it's like, I mean, you're just gonna, you're just gonna, you know, burn yourself out so much earlier, you know, and I've seen it.
Speaker B:I've seen so many people that aren't in the industry anymore now because, you know, when they were younger, it was just, it was a grind, grind, grind, grind, grind.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:You know, now they're not even in it anymore.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Yeah, that sort of, that sort of work there, you can get caught up in it.
Speaker A:Get caught up in it.
Speaker A:And it's very hard to slow down.
Speaker A:Like I'm trying to slow down and you know, sometimes say, no, I'm sorry, I can't do it, you know, because, yeah, like, I want to keep working.
Speaker A:I don't want to just drop dead.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:On the job.
Speaker A:Because some people, some people have mentioned to me that one day I'll just die in the driveway, in someone's driveway because, you know, it's just, it's very labor intensive job sort of type thing.
Speaker A:I mean, we want to try, as the old saying goes, you know, work harder, don't work harder, work smarter.
Speaker A:Yeah, yes, I, I totally get that.
Speaker A:But then, you know, at the end of the day, your results show on people's vehicles.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that, that to me, that to me is my promotion is going through like word of mouth and things like that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's more important for me is looking after people.
Speaker A:The money, the money thing is.
Speaker A:The money thing will come eventually.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:At the end of the day, it's looking after people because, and as I said before, you know, people, the cast, clients and things like that, they're, they're like my boss, my bosses.
Speaker A:And, and for me, it's, I tend to call, you know, my business is a bit like running a circus that's just coming to town.
Speaker A:You just don't know how many people will be in your audience every day because, you know, one minute it could be a full house and next minute it could be just a matinee show.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You know, but yeah, the, the results have to speak for themselves.
Speaker A:And, and you know, I'm prepared to sacrifice it in, in any way.
Speaker B:Yeah, and that's the thing.
Speaker B:I mean, like you said, work, work smarter, not harder.
Speaker B:But sometimes even working smarter, you're still working hard at it, you know.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:There are ways to kind of do, you know, maybe a more efficient job in detailing.
Speaker B:But I mean, at the end of the day, it's, it's, you know, the key Word is details.
Speaker B:You know, like, yes, you're still, you know, having to make sure that you're getting all the little, you know, tedious places and, and things like that.
Speaker B:And so, so even if you do work smarter, you're, you're still working hard to an extent.
Speaker B:Because again, you know, I mean, polishing is, is.
Speaker B:It's the one thing I, I enjoy the most because I feel like that's the, the most gratification from before and afters.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:But at the same time, like, it's just a lot of, you know, kind of hunched over or, you know, reaching high, you know, or whatever.
Speaker B:And it's, it just, you know, by the time I get done and I go home, like, you know, my body just is, is a wreck, you know, and so that's why I don't typically like to do more than one, you know, correction job a week because.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, when I, the, the times that I have done too, like, you know, the next week I'm kind of out, you know, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, achy, you know, as soon as you sit down, like everything just locks up on you and.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And again, I'm not getting any younger, so.
Speaker A:No, same here.
Speaker A:Same here.
Speaker A:Alex.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, I've somehow because of, because of sort of like I have a lot of regular work all the time because over the years I've picked up clients and then they say, well, look, can you come every week?
Speaker A:Can you come, you know, you know, every two weeks or whatever?
Speaker A:I'm, I'm looking after more clients like that now in the sense compared to polishing, because polishing for me was a calming effect on me.
Speaker A:I came from an industry.
Speaker A:My background is I'm a trade printer.
Speaker A:So I did it for 32 years and I was like, even in, even that job, I got burnt out, you know, working hard, working 60, 70 hours a week.
Speaker A:And I would use polishing as a, as a relaxant sort of type thing.
Speaker A:And I really enjoyed it and it was, it was just a calming effect for me.
Speaker A:But then when I started doing it, when I left my job to do detailing full time, I realized like, you know, this is putting a pounding on my body sort of type thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, as you said, being hunched over and then working long hours and things like that, you, you feel the pain in the next, you know, a couple of days.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And not only that, but also to health wise, you know, you have to sort of like look after yourself, like what you eat and then resting and things like that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's that aspect too as well.
Speaker A:It's not just, you know, doing the job and, you know, and hope the best sort of top thing, but it's looking after yourself.
Speaker A:You want to look after yourself, you can keep on going, you know.
Speaker A:That's the way I look at it.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker B:No, no, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're right.
Speaker B:It is, it is a calming effect.
Speaker B:It's, it's, it's kind of interesting.
Speaker B:So I got introduced at MTE to one of Aaron Knox's clients, slash, I guess, students.
Speaker B:So he introduced us to a gentleman that has been taking paint correction trainings from him for a little while now.
Speaker B:And this gentleman is a neuroscience or neurosurgeon.
Speaker B:And, and Noxy was telling me that, you know, cleaning his cars and polishing them and everything is, is just a calming effect for him.
Speaker B:So when he wanted to do it, he wanted to learn the correct way to do it and do it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So he reached out to Noxie and he, and he goes, I think like once a month they, they spend a weekend together and.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Noxy teaches them how to, you know, wet sand and paint correction and all that fun stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's, it's, it was kind of a neat experience.
Speaker B:And, and it's, it's kind of cool.
Speaker B:He's, he signed up for our Aquatech training at the beginning of next month that we're actually doing at Noxies.
Speaker B:So he wants to come and.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Even though he's done paint correction training with Noxy wants to come and, and do that.
Speaker B:And he's even, he's even already laid down some Aquatech, but he still wants to come and, and kind of learn it from us and everything.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think that's going to be kind of a cool thing because he's, he's an older gentleman.
Speaker B:He's probably way smarter than all of us that are going to be in that, that training, you know.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, but, but, but again, like, it's neat that, you know, somebody of, you know, that level and doing that career finds doing this, you know, a, a calming effect or a therapeutic effect or something like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, and at the end of the day, I really think it's what or why a lot of us do it.
Speaker B:I mean, it's the same for me, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, I always tell people all the time, like, I put my headphones on and, and the only thing I have to worry about is that, you know, one by one, two by two piece of paint that I'm Working on for that period of time.
Speaker B:That's, that's, yeah, my only worries, my only troubles, my only.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:And then when you, when you get that, that, that really good before and after, you know, then it's, it's calming and it feels good.
Speaker A:Yeah, it sure is.
Speaker A:It sure is.
Speaker A:I tend to find with pain correction, it's, it's a bit like sitting down on a large table and you're putting a puzzle together because there's a calming.
Speaker A:And then you're using your mind too at the same time and just doing one section panel at a time.
Speaker A:And then after, at the end of it, seeing all those pieces of panels come together and the car.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just looks amazing out of this world.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then the whole picture just comes together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I used to kind of say the same thing about ppf for as much as PPF used to stress me out, actually laying it on the car.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I enjoyed because it makes you think, you know, like, okay, how, where do I pull, where do I need to stretch, how do I need to move it, you know, align it and all that stuff.
Speaker B:So yeah, it.
Speaker B:To me that was very much like sitting down and doing a puzzle because it, it really made me think of how do I do all this stuff.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it can be, can be very, very fun.
Speaker B:The paint correction and the ppf, although the, the whole like printing out the PPF and then weeding it, that, that was just, it was too stressful for me.
Speaker B:I, I couldn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm probably in the, in the same boat as you, Alex.
Speaker A:So currently now I'm learning to do ppf.
Speaker A:So I go and pay to get educated with the ppf.
Speaker A:So I, last year I, I was going to go to sema, but then I decided to go to Stack.
Speaker A:So I went to the, the headquarters there and started learning about ppf.
Speaker A:And then also too, there's an agent here for Stack here in Australia.
Speaker A:So I followed the actual guy that does the training and all that.
Speaker A:So I'm still doing that still.
Speaker A:I won't call myself a PPF installer yet, but, you know, but yeah, until I'm 100%, yeah, I just do it.
Speaker A:And then I might do it like three, four times a year because I just want to know every aspect of it, you know, like the material, how's the material?
Speaker A:Is it, how does it, Is it, how pliable is it?
Speaker A:Right, yeah.
Speaker A:All these other techniques and then the chemicals that go with that.
Speaker A:Because I also look after vehicles that have PPF currently now at the moment and washing them and things like taking care of the, of the film is another important factor too as well, so.
Speaker A:And using the right products too, of course.
Speaker A:And that's more.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's, that's important for me.
Speaker A:And yes, this year again, I will invest more money on education, on PPF too as well.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:So, yeah, doing the ppf, doing the, the esoteric thing, doing the rupes economy.
Speaker B:Do you, do you set aside like money every year to do some sort of training or is it just kind of like as it, as it comes up?
Speaker A:Yeah, I set aside money every year because you just never know what's happening around the corner in our industry.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, I've been to other places too as well.
Speaker A:Like, I remember when I think one of your guys from your, from your state there many years ago, Gary Dean.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, Gary Dean, the.
Speaker A:The guy with the, the one soap that he.
Speaker B:I've heard his name before and it's, it's.
Speaker B:We actually.
Speaker B:So I actually reached out to him one time and tried to set something up to have him come on the podcast and then it never.
Speaker B:And we, we went back and forth for a few days and then just never panned out, so.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, he.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Okay, interesting because he, he flew to Australia back in.
Speaker A: I think it was, yeah,: Speaker A:And yeah, we spent time together with a bunch of guys here, you know, just learning all aspects of polishing things like that on, on his techniques.
Speaker A:And then after that.
Speaker A:Yeah, I also went to Maguire's headquarters.
Speaker A: g event there with the NXT in: Speaker A:There was Kevin Brown and Michael Stoops and j.
Speaker A:Well, Jason Rose, I think he.
Speaker B:Yeah, because he was there.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker A:I met Jason Rose before, like maybe a year or two before that where I just wanted to drive past the, the Maguire's headquarters there in California and Michael Stoops there.
Speaker A:He introduced me to the workshop that they got there and all that stuff, which was exciting.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:Yeah, I heard about the NXT and I just flew back to the US Again.
Speaker A:That was a, that was a great event.
Speaker A:I remember Larry from Ammo.
Speaker A:He was there.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, and there's a couple of guys, Joe and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker A:Fernandez, he was there too as well, assisting around and yeah, had a, had a great, great weekend there.
Speaker A:I managed, I spoke.
Speaker A:I remember ringing up Kevin and say, Kevin, I've got a black BMW that I'm, I'm renting.
Speaker A:Can we use that for the class?
Speaker A:I think that'd be great for the class.
Speaker A:A black car and.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, sure, bring it right over.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the rented car looked like a brand new rented car by the end of the weekend.
Speaker A:And yeah, it was, it was a fantastic moment.
Speaker A:I've also worked with Mel Craig from the Detailing pros as well.
Speaker A:Yeah, he, he came to Australia too as well.
Speaker B:He's also.
Speaker B:He revivify, right?
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yes, that's right.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's the, the US distributor for Ravify.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:He's, yeah, very good in his techniques and things like that.
Speaker A:He spent with us for a week and then the guy here for detailing prize in Australia, Darren.
Speaker A:Darren gave him a bit of a tour around Australia for a drive and things like that.
Speaker A:And yeah, there was another exciting moment and then flew back to the US again.
Speaker A:And as I said, I was with Esoteric, with Toka.
Speaker A:Brighter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is that where you met Jason?
Speaker A:Yes, I met Jason for the first time there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And yeah, Jason was assisting with Todd at the time.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:In the class and all that.
Speaker A:We did a, I remember in class we did a black Cadillac, brand new Cadillac there as part of the class.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was fantastic too as well.
Speaker A:We paint corrected and on a brand new car, mind you, and coded the car back then.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, very interesting.
Speaker A:No, it's cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it's always, you know, learning something and, and also, also too part of the IDA too as well.
Speaker A:So, you know, I've been, been there nearly, what, nearly 10 years now?
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Always trying to, you know, keep keeping up with everything what's going on.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's very, that's very cool that you do that because it's, you know, one of the things that I, I've kind of talked about recently and, and I usually always bring up my buddies, Kyle and Jerry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because those guys like plan every year for, for trainings.
Speaker B:You know, they, they, they set aside money almost kind of like out of every job they, you know, like a percentage of every job they know they're going to set aside so that, you know, whatever training, you know, whatever they set aside this year is going towards training for, for next year, whatever they set aside last year will go towards training this year.
Speaker B:And, and that's one of the things that I've kind of, you know, been trying to say in this podcast, you know, when it comes up so that maybe people will kind of Hear it repeatedly.
Speaker B:Is, is that's the easiest way to do a training.
Speaker B: these trainings and they're $: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, it's a good training because it's not the guy doing a training for $300, you know, like, I feel like, got to look at it like the ceramic coatings.
Speaker B:Like, if you're selling the ceramic coating for $2,000, you know, you're getting a good job.
Speaker B:If the guy's doing it for 300 bucks, you know, it's a coating.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So the same way with trainings, like, we got to look at it the same, the same way.
Speaker B:But I always, but I always get the, it's not just that money for training.
Speaker B:It's the travel cost, it's the food cost, it's the rental car costs, it's the being away from the shop cost.
Speaker B:You know, now I'm not making money kind of thing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So that's why when I first started talking with, or when I, when I had talked with, with Jerry and Kyle and they said, like, yeah, like, I just, I plan, you know, x amount of, you know, whatever dollars from every job that I can put away into a, into a training, like kind of savings account or whatever.
Speaker B:So that way then I know, okay, I saved $5,000.
Speaker B:Okay, I can do, you know, maybe two trainings this year or I could do one training this year or whatever.
Speaker B:And I think that's super important because I, I, the more that I've gone these past few years up to Knox Season, done trainings with him with different companies and stuff, the, the time I went to Gloss University and, and then just talking to people and what they learn is, is it, it's definitely a good thing to do.
Speaker B:And that's, that's the one thing I can never get with people in this industry is, you know, people or detailers that don't go to trainings or don't go to events like Mobile Tech Expo or sema.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, or even some of these, like, little.
Speaker B:My buddy Will William Lara is doing these detailing summit meet and greet kind of things where he has, they do like some education stuff and whatever.
Speaker B:I, I don't, I don't know how you grow your bit, you know, how you grow as a detailer, how you get better, because if you're not expanding your mind or expanding your, your limitations, you know.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I think it's, I think it's Great that you do that.
Speaker B:I think, you know, and especially the fact that you're really going places far away from you.
Speaker B:It's not just, you know, oh, a couple thousand dollar trip to the US you're probably spending more money coming over here than some people are making in a year, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I, I just, I think that that's.
Speaker B:I think that's really a cool thing that you're doing that.
Speaker B:And, and I, and I always, you know, any of the people that tell me like, yeah, I.
Speaker B:I want to learn more and I do these things, I make sure I go these places.
Speaker B:I look at them and go like, okay, those are the people that get it, you know, and they're gonna do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like with the MTE education.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:What I find about that, like there's so many topics.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:On the education day.
Speaker A:And I wish maybe out of that output of that, I wish maybe there could be more in a sense.
Speaker A:Because you can't see all of them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:Well, I don't time.
Speaker B:So I don't know if they did it again this year.
Speaker B:You might want to look into it.
Speaker B:But I know last year when, when I had Sheldon on the podcast and we talked about it, they were gonna start doing, I guess like webinars of.
Speaker B:So they were going to record and then have them on.
Speaker B:So I think like, if you, if you attended, if you paid for the training day.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Then you got access to the channel, the website, whatever.
Speaker B:So if you missed one, you could just go watch the webinar.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So you might want to look into that.
Speaker B:Yeah, Let me know if you can't find it because I'll.
Speaker B:I'll reach out to Sheldon for you and.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And see if they did that again this year.
Speaker B:Because I know he said that was one of the things that their biggest complaint.
Speaker B:And that's why they kind of moved, I think, so Education day.
Speaker B:I think starting last year, they actually moved it to Wednesday and Thursday to give people enough time to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You could do ex.
Speaker B:You know, so many classes on Wednesday and then classes on Thursday.
Speaker B:Because I remember for the longest time it was just on Thursday and you had to try to like pick and choose, you know?
Speaker B:You know, and you're like, yeah, I want to go to both of these.
Speaker B:And they're both at the same time.
Speaker A:At the same time.
Speaker B:Different rooms or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So like I said, I think last year they started doing.
Speaker B:Started recording them so that they could put them online for a webinar.
Speaker B:So I didn't I didn't get a chance to ask him about it this year, but if he can't find it, let me know.
Speaker B:If it's not on the, if you don't see it on the website, let me know and I'll reach out to him for you.
Speaker B:Okay, I can find out.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:Thank you, Alex.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And the.
Speaker A:So yeah, just going back to mt, the education.
Speaker A:The thing is, I look at it this way.
Speaker A:If you're gonna spend time on someone else's car, which is not your property.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that car's worth a million dollars.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You better know something because the thing is like, yeah, yeah, you're just gonna mess yourself up.
Speaker A:And it's, yeah.
Speaker A:It's all about.
Speaker A:At the end of day, it's about education.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:You know, I sort of admire the people that, that, you know, go and learn, how can I say, like self learning, that's okay.
Speaker A:But right at the end of the day, if anything would happen on that vehicle, at least in some ways, you know what to do.
Speaker A:Because with education, I'm not going to go ring up my, the teacher that taught me, you know, every five minutes you gotta like.
Speaker A:I tend to say, okay, well that's what I learned.
Speaker A:Okay, let's see where I can grow from there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, and try and use your mind and you know, and use your body too as well to when something happens, you try and fix it up, you know, or.
Speaker A:And fixing up like not fixing something, then, then it's going to fall off, whatever.
Speaker A:But like more like fixing it up and permanently good.
Speaker A:Like that as well.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:As long as it can be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So at the end of the day.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:No, no, I was gonna say.
Speaker B:And, and also with education kind of comes of learning your limitations, you know, because you know, how many detailers get into this game and they go, you know, they get a phone call from somebody with an F40, you know, I'm like, oh yeah, I'll wash and detail that.
Speaker B:You know, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And you know, I probably would have done the same thing, you know, 10 years ago, but now I'd be like, I don't know if I, you know, I mean, I could probably do it, but I don't know if I want to take that responsibility on a four and a half, five million dollar car.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Is, is a bunch of different composite pieces because correct.
Speaker B:If, if, if you.
Speaker B:It up, you just devalued that car a ton, you know, so.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:I, I think, I think education is Also learning your limitations, what you're comfortable with.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, I, you know, I've gone to however many trainings with Noxy on, on wet sanding.
Speaker B:You know, they're in the class on a, on a hood.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:No fear clients, of course.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:R pulls in and I'm like, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker B:You know, I'm afraid to it up.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, you know, I feel like too learn.
Speaker B:Learning your limitations is also part of.
Speaker B:Of education.
Speaker B:And, and, and you know, I think there's a lot of people out there that aren't educated and, and they're doing stuff that is.
Speaker B:Is above their limitations.
Speaker B:And, and that's why you see a lot of these, you know, Facebook posts like, oh, shoot, I did this.
Speaker B:How do I fix it?
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, I've seen things like that on Facebook and all that, which I don't like.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I never sort of interact because you just never know what's happening in the background there as well.
Speaker A:And there's nothing about helping people.
Speaker A:But the thing is, like, how did it get to that stage?
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And just going back to training, like, I remember nxt, there was Jason Kilmer there.
Speaker A:Jason Kilmer, he specialized in wet sanding, things like that.
Speaker A:That was, yeah.
Speaker A:Educational for me.
Speaker A:Another, another step in a sense of understanding about wet sanding.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then also to another.
Speaker A:Another guy, Chris Larson.
Speaker A:I've taken a class with him too as well.
Speaker A:And then also too with Jason and Chris together at the same time.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So it was very interesting.
Speaker A:You know, I remember we worked on some old Range Rover that had really severe paint defects, but then, yeah, we just still made it look brand new at the end of the day.
Speaker A:But, but you know, what it comes down to is like it's not your property.
Speaker A:You know, it's someone else's property and you have to do your best for that person, not for yourself, and make yourself look great.
Speaker A:It's, you know, because like my, these days, especially now with new vehicles, I don't want to paint correct a new vehicle at all.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Due to the one.
Speaker A:The material that's.
Speaker A:That they throw on the, on the vehicle today.
Speaker A:The, the, the thickness of the paint that, you know, that's on there.
Speaker A: Since probably: Speaker B:I just run a one Step polish over them nowadays, I mean it's typically, typically all they really need.
Speaker B:You know, you just want to remove the light defects.
Speaker B:And, and I tell the clients too, you know, I kind of, I kind of educate them a little bit and I tell them like, look, there's no need for me to do a two step or a three step paint correction on this with a head and all that stuff.
Speaker B:I'm just going to take your, your paint, your clear coat down.
Speaker B:There's no need to do it.
Speaker B:And I let them know, like I'm gonna do a medium polish on it.
Speaker B:It's gonna have just enough cut to get in, you know, any of the minor imperfections out.
Speaker B:We're going to leave, you know, maximum paint all left on your car and then we'll put a coating on it, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, and I, I, I like telling them that because some of them are kind of like, well, yeah, you know, the other, other guy I talked to said he's going to do like this two step heavy paint CR Brand new car doesn't need.
Speaker A:Go to a training.
Speaker B:Go to a train, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:Look, at the end of the day when new vehicles are coming off the production line, I've heard some really nightmares from other, from other people where they've just started wet setting on a brand new amg.
Speaker A:Like, why would you want to do that?
Speaker A:Like, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's just ludicrous.
Speaker A:But no, these days I still, I sometimes think about the future of detailing, that maybe we'll be using special liquids in the future.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, to, to polish a car because the way how things are going, you know, in the manufacturing industry is manufacturers and using weaker, less and anything, anything probably.
Speaker A:Like I feel sorry for the manufacturers in a sense because it seems to be getting smaller and smaller and smaller and using less, I, what could I say?
Speaker A:Like less ingredients in the materials now until like a car just probably, you know, you buy a car and then you throw it away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, Elon's already proven he can sell, you know, all these stainless steel Tesla trucks, no paint on them.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But manufacturers start going like, let's just, let's just throw out stainless steel vehicles and we don't, we could save money on paint.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I saw on Facebook when the cybertruck came out and all that that someone had already polished the, the panels and became like a mirror.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like that, that probably be really dangerous probably to you know, like driving the Sunrise or sunset during the day?
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I, I, I thought to say, I mean it, listen, look, it looked super cool.
Speaker B:I, I'm gonna admit that first, but secondly, I'm gonna just.
Speaker B:Why, I mean, I get, I guess if that's what the customer wanted, but I mean, it's not, it's obviously not going to stay like that.
Speaker B:You know, it'll, it'll fade out.
Speaker B:You'll have to polish it again and it'll fade out and you have to polish it again.
Speaker B:So, I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess kudos to the detailer for, Because, I mean, I, God, I hope they made, you know, their hourly rate on that because I'm sure that wasn't, you know, a quick, easy job to do, so.
Speaker A:No, definitely not.
Speaker B:If they made their money off of it, then, then more power to them and, you know, they'll make that money continuously over and over and over again.
Speaker B:But yeah, I, I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, I haven't done one yet.
Speaker B:I, I, I probably wouldn't want to touch one just because I feel like those things, there's nothing you can do to them.
Speaker B:I mean, I feel like even the guys that are putting PPF and vinyl on them, it's, it's still going to, you know, discolor or rust underneath or whatever, just kind of hiding it in a sense.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:I, I think, I think, I think with these sort of, you know, vehicles and things like that, time will tell, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:These results, you know, putting PPF over, you know, cybertruck and things like that, who knows what the glue could do to the, to the, you know, the panel.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's all these other factors involved.
Speaker A:I've, I even saw something about they've started rusting, but that rust, I think it's probably contamination.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The truck's picked up and it's, it's only probably surface rust, you know, that can probably, you know, come off.
Speaker A:But yeah, just, you know, where the industry is going.
Speaker A:It's very interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:I, I was, I think I was reading an article, if I read it correctly, that in the future possibly that panels would be printed on.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:So a machine, a machine that prints color on a panel.
Speaker A:So that'll be interesting to see what happens out of that, I guess if I read the article correct.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, I, I think we're gonna be okay.
Speaker B:I mean, I, I think back to, to, I don't Remember however many years ago when I was still working at the car wash and Nissan came out, you know, with their self healing, self cleaning, self whatever paint.
Speaker A:Oh, I remember that.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it's still not on any cars, you know, so like, I think we're gonna be good for a while.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I mean, and listen, I mean, realistically, I, I'm gonna be 52 next month.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I really don't want to be doing this a whole much, a whole bunch longer, you know?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I'm hoping for that sweet Aquatech money to start kicking in as we grow and then, and then I'll just really only care if people are buying Aquatech products at that point.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:If I can, if I can start, if we can start doing well enough at Aquatech that I can stop working in the shop or very minimal in the shop.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then for me it'll just be about like buy the Aquatech products and, and, and let's face it, at 52, what, maybe another 20 years, 15 years before then I'm like retirement out of, out of everything and won't really care what happens anymore because I'll be that old guy running my car through the car wash again because I'm not gonna wanna, you know, have to, have to, you know, wait for hours for somebody to clean it, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker A:And then, who knows, there'll be more, more, you know, new techniques.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:That time, who knows?
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's so, it'd be very interesting to see and all that, but, you know, presently, you know, I just keep on going and doing the same thing at the moment.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's pretty much, I mean, we had Jason Rose on the podcast couple years back and we talked to him about, you know, kind of AI and detailing with the robots and stuff because, I mean, they do kind of have it now in some of the, some of the manufacturing plants where the robots are actually polishing the cars and things like that, but.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:You know, he said as expensive as those machines are, detail shops can't afford them yet anyway, so we don't have to worry about losing our jobs.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, no, no, not at all.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:I, I think I saw something the other day.
Speaker A:They were advertising, I think robot, robot arms to spray paint in the, in the workshop now.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that'll be interesting to see.
Speaker B:Listen, I, I, I've become a bigger fan of Chat GPT lately.
Speaker B:Like, the more that I yes.
Speaker B:The more that I find out things that it can actually do for me other than just answering questions.
Speaker B:You know, like, I was talking with.
Speaker B:@mt.
Speaker B:I was talking with Sasha from, From Germany.
Speaker B:And, and because they.
Speaker B:He was the one that was telling me about the paint correction competition that they run over there for the last eight years.
Speaker B:So he messaged me on WhatsApp and was basically like, telling me everything about the competition.
Speaker B:And then at the very end, it said, I hope this made sense for you.
Speaker B:I ran it through Chat GPT as a translator.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was like, I didn't know Chat GPT could translate.
Speaker B:So I went into Chat GBT and I typed him back and I said, translate in German.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Copied and pasted it to him.
Speaker B:He's like, your German is very good.
Speaker B:I was like, buddy, that was Chad GPT.
Speaker B:Thanks for.
Speaker B:Thanks for letting me know that.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think I heard you say something like that in your last podcast.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've been, I've been.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I love playing with it, you know, like, I love just asking it some dumb, random question or whatever and.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And having a conversation with it.
Speaker B:Like, I told my wife the other day, I was, you know, like, I.
Speaker B:I saw some girl on.
Speaker B:On Tick Tock, she was asking it the question, did we.
Speaker B:Did we invent AI or did we discover it?
Speaker B:And it was, it was like a crazy, like, explanation.
Speaker B:I was like, holy.
Speaker B:So, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I went into chat.
Speaker B:Chat GPT and asked it the same question.
Speaker B:Basically gave me the same answer, just in a different kind of tone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then went down a whole rabbit hole with Chat GPT about AI, different timelines, the multiverse, you know, how real was the Matrix or how, you know, the Matrix, you know, could kind of be fit into all this.
Speaker B:It was a crazy.
Speaker B:It was crazy conversation that I had with Chat GPT about all this craziness that could.
Speaker B:Could be real, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I even asked it the.
Speaker B:I even asked it the Skynet question.
Speaker B:You know, I asked it if.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:I asked it if AI could ever become, you know, to a point of.
Speaker B:Of self recognition.
Speaker A:All right, okay.
Speaker B:And create a Skynet scenario.
Speaker B:No, it told me no, because there's too many, like, factors of, of checks and balances with humans.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so it, it told me no, but I mean, give it a couple of years and we'll see, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No, there's some really amazing stuff out there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I I've been having fun with it.
Speaker B:I ask it.
Speaker B:Oh, you know, all the time.
Speaker B:Like, you know, I want to make something different for dinner and I got this, this and that.
Speaker B:How can I make something?
Speaker B:And it'll give me, you know, it'll give me a recipe and directions and, yeah, all that fun stuff.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I.
Speaker B:I'm on it all the time.
Speaker B:I've even started using it now.
Speaker B:So I found out.
Speaker B:So the last podcast I did with Thad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I actually copied the link into Chat GPT.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And asked it to give me a description for the podcast so that I could use for social media.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So like in.
Speaker B:In seconds, it gave me a description of everything that we talked about.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And then I was able to use that for Instagram post.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:I think, I think with AI it tries.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker A:We need to be intelligent of the question that we ask for.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Which is pretty good in some sort of sense.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:You have to be specific what you want to ask, I guess.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:And it's crazy.
Speaker B:Here, I'll read you this one because people might.
Speaker B:Might enjoy this.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So I asked it.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And this kind of goes to your, like asking a smart question, right?
Speaker B:So I just asked it something stupid and random.
Speaker B:So I was like, tell me something really crazy that I might not know.
Speaker B: T proceeds to tell me that in: Speaker B:It started with one woman, Frank Trofia, who danced in the streets for nearly a week.
Speaker B:Soon dozens of others joined, and within a month, about 400 people were compulsively dancing.
Speaker B:Authorities believing the only cure was more dancing, even hired musicians to encourage it, making it worse.
Speaker B:The event remains a medical mystery, but theories range from mass hysteria to a toxic mold called urgot, which can cause hallucination.
Speaker B:Hallucination.
Speaker B:Hallucinations similar to lsd.
Speaker A:Jeez.
Speaker B:I mean, I did.
Speaker B:I've never learned that in any book.
Speaker B:Never.
Speaker A:Like, no.
Speaker B:The fun of Chat GPT just.
Speaker B:Yeah, random ass question.
Speaker B:And get a really cool.
Speaker B:The dancing plague.
Speaker A:Jeez.
Speaker B: Of: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Maybe that.
Speaker A:Well, maybe that woman discovered something that we don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:Jeez.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so I'm having fun with Chat GPT.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's really cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, listen, Mark, it's getting kind of late here.
Speaker B:I know it's mid midday for you over there, but.
Speaker A:Yeah, nearly 1:30.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Listen, man, I appreciate you for doing this, man.
Speaker B:It was a pleasure to meet you at mte.
Speaker B:I'm so glad that you knew Mike and Jason for me to get that inter.
Speaker B:Introduction.
Speaker B:I'm glad that you, you know, did the.
Speaker B:The paint correction competition.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And had a blast and all that stuff.
Speaker B:I enjoyed our talks at mte.
Speaker B:I look forward to, you know, seeing you again next year.
Speaker B:No worries.
Speaker A:Alex, thank you so much for having me on the show.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Really appreciate it very much.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for that.
Speaker B:No problem, buddy.
Speaker B:Well, listen, you have a great rest of your day and we'll chat soon because I.
Speaker B:I'm sure I'll message you some.
Speaker B:Some more stuff, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, no worries.
Speaker A:I look forward to it.
Speaker A:Alex.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker B:All right, buddy.
Speaker B:Take care.
Speaker A:Take care, Alex.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker B:Hey, if.
