A New Era in Detailing: The Success of the MTE Paint Correction Competition
The inaugural paint correction competition at the Mobile Tech Expo proved to be a resounding success, showcasing the remarkable skills of detailers while emphasizing the importance of precision in the industry. As we explored the unique format that allowed for a rigorous evaluation of techniques and results, it became evident that this event not only provided a platform for competition but also fostered community and camaraderie among participants. The implementation of technologically advanced judging metrics ensured that the competition remained fair and objective, steering clear of the biases often associated with subjective assessments. Feedback from competitors highlighted a desire for further refinement in future iterations, underscoring the collaborative spirit of the detailing community. We eagerly anticipate the enhancements and innovations that will emerge as we prepare for the next competition, reinforcing our commitment to excellence within our profession.
In the latest episode of The Detail Solutions Podcast, host Alex provides an in-depth review of the Mobile Tech Expo (MTE) 2025 and the Paint Correction Competition (PCC). Tune in to hear about the latest trends, products, and insights from the event.
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Hey, guys.
Speaker A:Alex Russell with the Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with Mike Phillips.
Speaker A:Hey, Mike, how you doing?
Speaker A:I'm doing great.
Speaker B:How about yourself?
Speaker A:Good, buddy.
Speaker A:So you're the guinea pig for the first ever MTE Peg correction competition.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker A:First of all, I love the idea.
Speaker A:You know, here at Mobile Tech Expo, we've always had the Dan Pulley competition and a number of the other ones that really involved, you know, the industry at Mobile Tech Expo, but we never had a paint correction competition.
Speaker A:So now these guys have developed this format.
Speaker A:We can learn from anything that needs to be tweaked and in advance of forward, and it's just going to give a lot of guys in the industry to come here and prove they got the right stuff.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right, Sheldon, we did it.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We finally did it.
Speaker C:We put together Paint correction competition.
Speaker C:How you feeling about it, buddy?
Speaker D:You know, like you said, we got it done.
Speaker D:90% of the problem is just starting.
Speaker D:So we've been talking about it for so long.
Speaker D:It felt great just to finally get there.
Speaker D:You know, honestly, the first Mike Phillips was the very first contestant.
Speaker D:Seeing him pick up that polisher and them saying, go, I was like, oh, like, look, I don't know if I want to run away.
Speaker D:Like, just please work with all the weird engineering things we did, but we got it done.
Speaker D:And to grade us personally, I'd give us like an 8 out of 10.
Speaker D:So pretty good.
Speaker D:We.
Speaker D:There's definitely some improvement to be had and possibly some more competitions, but you know what?
Speaker C:We got it done.
Speaker D:We had.
Speaker D:We had awards.
Speaker D:Everyone competed successfully, we had successful judging, and at the end of the day, we have one year under our belt, and it's just going to get better.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I'll tell you what, my probably favorite quote from this weekend was actually when I was talking with Rennie Doyle and.
Speaker C:And he said, don is better than perfect.
Speaker C:You know, so.
Speaker C:Were we perfect?
Speaker C:By all means, no.
Speaker C:But we did it.
Speaker C:You know, so that's.
Speaker C:That's, to me, better than perfect because, again, it's.
Speaker C:It's been a long time coming, and.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And so that was kind of gonna be my next question for you.
Speaker C:I mean, like, four years ago, when I started this podcast and.
Speaker C:And met you and had you on to talk about mte, you were kind of like, nope, nope.
Speaker C:Not doing a competition.
Speaker C:We're not dealing with it.
Speaker C:And to kind of like wear you down over the years, I feel like, you know, do you.
Speaker C:Are you glad that it took this long to kind of do it or do maybe now you, maybe you're like, oh we could, we should have done this years ago.
Speaker D:Ah, yes and no.
Speaker D:Again there is a big factor is just starting and trying something.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:But I was so, so worried about the subjective judging of it and the egos that come along with that.
Speaker D:And I think it was really the turning point for me is when I heard about the detail meter.
Speaker D:So like shout out to row point there.
Speaker D:But having a truly non subjective, technology driven piece that can measure so much and you know, multiple areas to give us a large good average to me that took away all the egos and of course there's still going to be some things.
Speaker D:But I feel like we waited for the right time.
Speaker D:We did so much research ahead of time and you know, did so much prep as thinking through all the variables that we could.
Speaker D:I think we did it right definitely with like the council we built and having all the different opinions and I feel we're going to get a lot of opinions from the outside now that we have one done.
Speaker D:But no, I'm very happy with how long we waited and the success we had.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:So in, in the aftermath, I mean have you heard anything?
Speaker C:Has anybody come to you and, and you know, either you know, with positive or negative, you know, constructive criticism or, or because I know you were kind of like packed up and on to the next thing that you had to.
Speaker C:So I didn't know if you've heard anything or talked to anybody about it yet.
Speaker D:Everything I keep hearing has been very concern.
Speaker D:I haven't heard any real negatives.
Speaker D:I've heard a lot of suggestions that we need to have you know, one da one or like different, like have different competitions be able to let more people in.
Speaker D:There's a lot of that kind of feedback I've gotten.
Speaker D:But in terms of what we actually pulled off ourselves, I haven't gotten much feedback.
Speaker D:Besides, we should add more rules on what you can and can't use.
Speaker D:But it sounds like what we did enforce was consistent and fair.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's the, that's the one thing that I've kind of came across too over the past couple days is, is the rules didn't seem, although I feel like we laid them all out.
Speaker C:You know, bring your own machine, bring your own pad, bring your own compounded polish.
Speaker C:Like you know, but some people, you know, were like, they didn't know where to look for the rules.
Speaker C:They felt like maybe the rules weren't easy enough to find or, or out there enough or things like that.
Speaker C:So that's Definitely one of the things I, I have in my notes to when we have our debrief with the committee and, and again, I mean, you know, we had, I don't know what, six months kind of to put this together and now we have a whole year to kind of, you know, now that we've done it, we have a whole year to kind of tweak the, you know, what we did in six months.
Speaker C:Really, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I'm excited.
Speaker D:I haven't even told you this yet, but I want to put together a little in person meeting down in Orlando, April, and kind of talk through what we had, how we want to grow it.
Speaker D:So I want to have some meetings before that to figure out, so we're not on site saying, okay, where do we put the tables?
Speaker D:I want us actually all physically there with some machines in hand playing with everything together.
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker D:So I just think there is, there's such a benefit to being in person and in person things happen for a reason and I think this will be worth it to grow it to the next level because like I said, 8 out of 10 this year.
Speaker D:I want like 9.9 next year.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker D:It's never going to be perfect.
Speaker D:There's always a chance.
Speaker C:Listen, I feel like you're giving us a way higher score than I was going to give us.
Speaker C:I was thinking maybe like a B minus, you know, like, like we, we were like a good 80% or you know, 70, 79 or whatever, you know.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I'm happy with it.
Speaker C:You know, it seemed, it draw.
Speaker C:It drew pretty big crowds here and there.
Speaker C:You know, that was, that was kind of the cool thing to, you know, look up and there's, you know, 10, 15, 20 people there, you know, watching people com.
Speaker C:Compete and everything.
Speaker C:So that was pretty nice too.
Speaker D:And the amount of social media presence I've seen from it is just insane.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's just sparking questions and inquiries and oh, what is this?
Speaker D:I didn't know about it because as much as we try to promote it, you know, not everyone sees everything pre show and it's kind of just a little blip on the ever changing social media feed, so.
Speaker C:Right, right, exactly.
Speaker C:So I know we're going to talk about it, but I mean, do you, you know, for, for maybe the people listening, do you have any thoughts or ideas that you want to do next year maybe differently or add to or.
Speaker C:You know, I know we've always talked about in the past that this could, you know, kind of grow and blossom into you know, a multitude of different things.
Speaker C:So, you know, where do you see it going next year and then maybe beyond that?
Speaker D:Well, I do want to start out with that question by saying, this is for detailers, so I don't detail my own car.
Speaker D:I hire one of y'all professionals.
Speaker D:So I want to listen to all the feedback and see what everyone in the industry wants.
Speaker D:So as much as I want to grow this and everything, I want to make sure we get it right, and it's something that we can replicate, you know, over the country, slash world, as we were approached by, you know, multiple times throughout the week.
Speaker D:Yeah, but I, like, I want to get the formula down right where everyone thinks, all right, this is it.
Speaker D:Either it's one competition or a couple, depending on the type of tools or however we want to do that.
Speaker D:But I really want to get that formula down before we start replicating.
Speaker D:But it's not my decision whatsoever.
Speaker D:It's really what the industry wants.
Speaker D:So that's why we started the committee.
Speaker D:And of course, we're be looking for open feedback of everyone else out there.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And I know we did 20 contestants this year.
Speaker C:I know you wanted to start out, you know, kind of small.
Speaker C:You did 20.
Speaker C:You were kind of hoping for 10.
Speaker C:You sold it out.
Speaker C:Plus a couple, I think, because some people kind of didn't show up.
Speaker C:And so we let other people who wanted to jump in, jump in.
Speaker C:What are you thinking next year?
Speaker C:I mean, we're going to do 30.
Speaker C:We're going to do 40.
Speaker D:So I think my major takeaways.
Speaker D:So number one, I need a champion in the industry to run this.
Speaker D:So Jason Rose really stepped up this year.
Speaker D:He and the rope guys were there literally all day, every day.
Speaker D:I know you were in and out, out to, like, helping get the contestants set up, teaching them, like, doing the measuring, getting the pan set.
Speaker D:So, like, we need, like, we can't just lean on, like, volunteers.
Speaker D:Like, I need a champion for that.
Speaker D:So if you're listening and you're interested next year, let me know.
Speaker D:But second, I think the pans worked.
Speaker D:I was a little hesitant, but, you know, seeing the before and afters and the readings, I think the pans were great.
Speaker D:We got through 20, barely.
Speaker D:I think that was with Jason and the real point guys literally never eating or drinking anything.
Speaker A:So that was just brutal.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Jason kept telling me, he's like.
Speaker C:He's like, I gotta eat my lunch.
Speaker C:He's like, pulling.
Speaker C:Pulling this sandwich and his apples out of his little bag or whatever.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I Kept running over to the Aquatech booth to grab my drink because I, for some reason wasn't smart enough to take it to the paint correction booth with me.
Speaker C:So I'd start getting thirsty and I'd be like, shoot, I gotta run back and grab my drink real quick.
Speaker C:So, yeah, that was, you know, but.
Speaker C:But honestly, like, for me, you know, when I.
Speaker C:Even when I do MTE or do sema, like, I'm just so busy throughout the day that I don't even think about eating, you know, and then it's over, and then my stomach's like, feed me, you know?
Speaker D:No, I.
Speaker D:I get that.
Speaker D:But I think what I saw was the.
Speaker D:The way we did the pans was great.
Speaker D:My little engineer contraption to hold them worked fine.
Speaker D:I'd make a couple.
Speaker D:But we can definitely fab up another one of those and we can run two either staggered concurrent, either way, and we can get double the competitors.
Speaker D:It might not be 40, it might be 30 to add some breaks in there for people.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:But I think two stations is completely doable to get more contestants involved.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, I think.
Speaker C:I think definitely we.
Speaker C:We could do it that way because my.
Speaker C:My thought was, you know, if it's the first one of the day, the row point guys met, do the pre measurements, and then the contestant goes.
Speaker C:They start measuring pan number two.
Speaker C:And then by the time they're done with all that, the five minutes is up for the first contestant.
Speaker C:They go over and start doing after readings.
Speaker C:You know, contestant two starts going, and it's just a kind of back and forth.
Speaker C:Was.
Speaker C:Was kind of how I was envisioning it in my head.
Speaker C:To be able to.
Speaker C:Be able to run.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that.
Speaker D:But that's what I want to practice.
Speaker D:Like, I want all those people in the same room when, like in, you know, into April, whatever.
Speaker D:Like, let's try this.
Speaker D:Where do we put the tables?
Speaker D:How are we gonna.
Speaker D:Like, is there enough room?
Speaker D:Like, I think the earlier we get.
Speaker B:A hold of that, the better it'll.
Speaker D:Be at the end and we won't be scrambling on site.
Speaker D:Not saying it was bad or anything.
Speaker D:It was just a lot of, oh, this kind of work.
Speaker D:Let's move this here.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Oh, well.
Speaker C:And again, I mean, we had plenty, you know, I.
Speaker C:And realistically, I mean, I don't even know if we had plenty of meetings because we did like one meeting a month.
Speaker C:So we basically had six meetings, you know, on zoom or.
Speaker C:Or, you know, meetings or teams or whatever.
Speaker C:But Friday was pretty much first time, you know, that we Said, okay, this is how we're doing it.
Speaker C:Because, you know, I mean, even Thursday we didn't know the Row point guys had a template made up.
Speaker C:You know, you were, you were asking me to go buy a sheet of poster board because we were going to try to make one or whatever.
Speaker C:So thankfully they had one already made up.
Speaker C:They thought of it, which was, which was cool.
Speaker D:So, yeah, we had talked about it, but it's like they were traveling like, I don't know.
Speaker D:That's why, like, let's just have something just in, in case they were really, they were on top of the game there.
Speaker D:And of course we had a couple tech issues, but, you know, all that will.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker C:Well, listen, I, I, I mean, I know we're gonna, I stack the rest of this podcast here with, with some other stuff, but man, I, I really appreciate you, you know, for finally doing this, letting me help out.
Speaker C:I didn't really know what my help capacity was going to be in the beginning, you know, when you asked me, you know, to kind of help you.
Speaker C:So I think just getting that committee together and, and getting the right people and having that input and then, you know, it was, I was kind of like you, you know, the first pan with Mike Phillips, I was like, oh, shoot, you know, like, what's gonna happen?
Speaker C:But it went off without a hitch for the most part.
Speaker C:And, and you know, I, I enjoy talking to everybody afterwards, doing interviews afterwards with them and, and kind of, you know, seeing what they thought from hearing about it to signing up to it, to doing it.
Speaker C:So thanks again, man, for letting me be a part of it.
Speaker C:It was awesome.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I was actually just thinking about this.
Speaker D:Like, I want not only the contestants feedback, but we really want everyone.
Speaker D:So on the website, I might just put up a like survey form on the correction page it says, you know, give us your thoughts.
Speaker D:You know, anything goes.
Speaker D:Because like I said, I want, I do want all the input on this and it'd just be easier for me to, you know, get everything in one spot if it's a survey form.
Speaker D:But, you know, drop us a line on Facebook, I think, sorry, I stand.
Speaker A:On a balance board.
Speaker D:But yeah, so we want the feedback.
Speaker D:That's really what we need.
Speaker D:And the ideas because we.
Speaker C:Right, right, exactly.
Speaker C:And then one last thing for you real quick, because I did have some people ask me, you know, you know, when they were going to find out their standing.
Speaker C:So I know Daryl said he was still kind of, I think they were, they saw it a couple of days.
Speaker C:They were actually Going to email everybody's readings and standings out and everything.
Speaker C:But did you guys let people know where they fell if they weren't in the top three for the awards?
Speaker D:We have not yet.
Speaker D:So once Daryl and the real point team are done with that, I, I don't think we're just going to release it publicly, but if you as a competitor would like to know where you fell, I'm happy emailing that to you, but it'll.
Speaker D:I unfortunately have to do another show next week, so probably be like two weeks.
Speaker D:But, you know, hit me up@sheldon mobiletechexpo.com and once we're.
Speaker D:We're there, I'm happy to release it privately.
Speaker C:Awesome, man.
Speaker C:Well, listen, I, I know you're super busy, so I just wanted to get you on and just kind of do a little, you know, follow up debrief with this.
Speaker C:And, and like I said, we're, we're gonna bring Daryl from Rope point on here and have him go over the, the meter and the readings and all that stuff.
Speaker D:Yeah, I'm excited for the Daryl one just because I think there's a lot of people in the industry that didn't.
Speaker C:Talk, oh, Jason Rose didn't understand the tool in the beginning.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:Jason Rose was like this, this and this.
Speaker C:And Daryl's like, h.
Speaker C:I mean, not really kind of.
Speaker C:And, and Jason was like, oh, what?
Speaker C:So I think Jason Rose got a little bit of education in the tool that he didn't really know too much of.
Speaker C:So that was pretty cool.
Speaker C:Yeah, awesome.
Speaker B:Well, great.
Speaker D:Well, thanks for having me on.
Speaker D:I really appreciate it.
Speaker C:And yes, sir, we'll take care.
Speaker C:All right, I'm back with Daryl Case from row point.
Speaker C:How you doing, Daryl?
Speaker B:Doing great.
Speaker B:How about you?
Speaker C:Oh, man, I'm great.
Speaker C:So I'm excited to have you on because one of the biggest things with this paint correction competition was everybody was asking about the judging, how we were doing it.
Speaker C:When we explained to them about the Detailometer, you know, a lot of people were like, okay, it's a gloss meter, but it's really more than a gloss meter.
Speaker C:And I think that's the thing that even the contestants, you know, after they got done, were kind of watching you guys and asking you guys questions, and even still, they didn't get it.
Speaker C:So having you on here today, let's learn what the Detailometer does, how you guys were, you know, getting those readings and then how you guys were able to put together a scoring system.
Speaker B:Okay, excellent.
Speaker B:Well, let me, let me start out by, by introducing myself and and, and Rollpoint Americas.
Speaker B:Again, I'm, my name is Darrell Case.
Speaker B:I'm the president of the Americas operations for Rope Point.
Speaker B:Ro Point Instruments is the parent company.
Speaker B:They're, they're based in England and they've been in business for almost 40 years.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:They're a major supplier of instrumentation for measuring surface appearance on automobiles, airplanes, yachts, trains, you name it.
Speaker B:They've been making instruments for 40, almost 40 years that, that measure things like gloss, that measure things like distinctness of image, haze, surface, waviness, or what we call orange peel in the automotive industry.
Speaker B:And they've been doing this for quite a long time.
Speaker B:My operations here, based in Troy, Michigan is the America's arm of the company.
Speaker B:And we cover North, Central and South America as a territory.
Speaker B:We have similar operations in Germany that handles the eu and then we've got distributors throughout the world in Asia, China, Japan, Korea, Australia, etc.
Speaker B:So about two years ago, I asked the company to develop a product that could be used in the detailing industry because, number one, I'm a car buff myself, own a couple of collector cars, and we've been making products that the automotive companies have been using for many years.
Speaker B:So I had indicated to our factory, why don't we come up with a solution for the professional detailers, the men and women that are involved in paint correction on everything from exotic cars to the family suv.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So we had the technology already.
Speaker B:We had been using it for about 15 years.
Speaker B:Some of the higher end auto detailers and associated companies had been using our existing technology.
Speaker B:Companies like Rupes, companies like Esoteric Fine Finishes in Ohio, a number of companies in Europe, and, and this, and this technology, what makes it different is it's not a gloss meter per se, because gloss really only tells you the surface is shiny.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:And gloss doesn't really match what your eye sees.
Speaker B:So we had the technology already for, like I said, for the, really for the past, probably the past 12 years.
Speaker B:And it was an instrument that we started out with called the iq.
Speaker B:And what made the IQ different is that it measured distinctness of image, it measured gloss, it measured haze, and it also measured some parameters that would help indicate the level of orange peel or smoothness of the surface.
Speaker B:So that instrument had been on the market for the past 12 years.
Speaker B:The instrument was actually too high of a price for the detailing market.
Speaker B:So we developed a product based off of that, a spinoff product called the Detailometer.
Speaker B:And we introduced it for the first time at SEMA two years ago.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And, and so we launched it at sema, we, we, we had it last year at Mobile Tech, and we had it again in the, in the paint correction competition this year at Mobile Tech.
Speaker B:So it's so starting to gather a little bit of steam.
Speaker B:It's starting to get a little bit more well known again.
Speaker B:You know, people, the first time they see it, they will.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That looks like a gloss meter.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, it does measure gloss, but I will tell you that gloss is the, the, the indicator, the only indicator in the instrument that really has no value.
Speaker B:It's, it's there.
Speaker B:It tells you the surface is shiny, but it doesn't really distinguish for you how deep is the clarity of your reflection.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:It doesn't tell you if there's any haze still left on the surface that could be due to polishing marks, could be due to residue, maybe some of the, some of the paint issues that weren't corrected properly.
Speaker B:I can still show up as haze.
Speaker C:Okay, so let me ask you this real quick.
Speaker C:So then that's kind of the big difference between your guys's tool and let's say the 300 gloss meter on Amazon is that that tool's only measuring gloss.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay, that's true.
Speaker B:There's a lot of gloss meters on the market, especially the ones coming out of China that you find on, on Amazon.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:But again, they're only measuring gloss, and the gloss does not tell you what you see with your eyes.
Speaker B:What you see with your eyes is, is really the distinctness of image, or what we call a reflected image quality on the surface.
Speaker B:And also that haze.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So those two parameters better match what your eye sees.
Speaker B:They're going to give you numbers that make sense.
Speaker B:So now I can quantify the surface of the paint before and after you do the paint correction.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So the idea here for the professional detailer is your customer brings their car, their vehicle into your shop, you take some readings, baseline readings of the existing condition of the paint, provide them a nice report that says, here's your existing condition.
Speaker B:And oh, by the way, I believe I can improve your surface quality, get it closer to a perfect finish.
Speaker B:And here's how I'm going to do it.
Speaker B:The products and tools that you use, and here's how I'm going to quantify it with a meter.
Speaker B:Now, that gives me actual readings.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:To quantify what the work that I've done.
Speaker B:So, so this instrument is, is, is unique.
Speaker B:There is nothing else like it on the market.
Speaker B:We own the rights to it.
Speaker B:It's, it's our technology and we've had that technology now for about 12 years and nobody's come up with any kind of solution to compete with it.
Speaker A:And I don't think.
Speaker B:And I don't think they will.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, so let me tell you a little bit about the detailometer and, and what it does, the readings that it gets and what do they mean?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And how, how a professional detailing shop that does paint correction, a serious paint correction, can use it basically to elevate their business to, to get better, more customer loyalty, and above all, to increase their profits.
Speaker B:So I'm going to go through a couple slides here just to give you an idea of what, what this instrument does.
Speaker C:And, and for anybody who's listening to this on the podcast, this will be available.
Speaker C:The video will be available on YouTube if you want to go and watch these slides that he's going to talk about.
Speaker B:So let me go to the presentation here.
Speaker B:You still see it?
Speaker C:Yes, sir.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:Again, I had a burning passion for, for, for muscle cars and, and hot rods and, and collectibles.
Speaker B:And I'm sure a lot of the guys that, that own these kind of, these kind of, these kinds of cars want to make sure they protect the paint, make sure they get the best reflective quality of the paint that they can get.
Speaker B:So they, they, they go to professional detailers to do that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And, and again, our technology has been used in the automotive industry and R and D, a lot of the paint companies we know, the automotive paint companies we work with, we work with the automotive companies, tier one suppliers, et cetera.
Speaker B:But this technology has also been used for a lot of other applications.
Speaker B:One of the applications has been used in for many years is polishing of concrete floors.
Speaker B:So if you go to any of the big box stores or to Amazon plants or anything like any of those types of customers, when they have new concrete being poured, they basically hone or grind that concrete to a fine finish.
Speaker B:They do that.
Speaker B:So it, so it's got better wearability.
Speaker B:It will, it will give them a longer life, but it also gives them a nice reflective surface and then they put their coatings on top of that to further protect it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So in the concrete polishing industry, they've been using distinctness of image and haze for about the past 12 years.
Speaker B:And it's now specified by architects and, and by customers, as well as these professional concrete polishers.
Speaker B:They're using the same technology, our instrument, and it's the only instrument on the market, again, that can do that.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:The other areas where it's Been used is metal finishing or any kind of metal finishing.
Speaker B:Again, if I want to be able to look at that surface to make sure that I've got the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The best finish on the metal.
Speaker B:And, And I'm looking at just more than.
Speaker B:Is it shiny?
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker B:Is it got a nice reflective surface?
Speaker B:And it did I get all the haze out of the.
Speaker B:Out of the surface.
Speaker B:So the technology is there.
Speaker B:It's been around for.
Speaker B:For a while.
Speaker B:It's been used in other industries at products that are twice the.
Speaker B:Twice.
Speaker B:Twice the cost.
Speaker C:Okay, I'm gonna pause you for a second.
Speaker C:The screen's not changing.
Speaker C:Have you changed the screen yet?
Speaker B:I have, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:I'm still.
Speaker C:I'm still on the.
Speaker C:The main detailometer Elevate business loyalty and profit.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker B:Okay, can you see that now?
Speaker C:Now it changed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Every beautiful car finish has a beautiful number.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:So I'm going to take it out of the automatic mode then, because I was trying to put it through the presentation mode.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:And I'll just show it as individual slides like this.
Speaker C:Okay, perfect.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So again, our.
Speaker B:Our.
Speaker B:Our.
Speaker B:Our model, I guess, is.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Every beautiful car finish has a beautiful number.
Speaker B:Anybody that's got any type of a car that's precious to them, like a exotic or a Corvette, even a Corvette or.
Speaker B:Or even a muscle car or hot rod, they take care of those very precisely, let's say.
Speaker B:And they like to also document what they do to their vehicles, the maintenance that occurs, the work that.
Speaker B:That occurs on those vehicles.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So with the Detailometer giving you numbers now, you can.
Speaker B:You can take those numbers, compile a report through the app that runs on your iPhone or your.
Speaker B:Or your Android device, and as you're collecting the data, you're automatically creating the documentation.
Speaker B:So with that documentation, again, I can show you the beginning appearance of that vehicle and how it stacks up on the quality scales.
Speaker B:And then after I'm through with the professional paint correction, I'm going to give you numbers that say, here's.
Speaker B:Here's how I took your.
Speaker B:Your vehicle from what it was when it came into the shop to.
Speaker B:To a near perfect finish.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This tool is also a good way to educate your customers by giving them the data before and after and helping you justify your higher level of cost.
Speaker B:For the, for the color correction, for the paint.
Speaker B:Correction can also be used to educate and train your people.
Speaker B:So, so if you have one professional detailer paint correction guy in your.
Speaker B:In your.
Speaker B:In your shop and he's the best of out of all of them.
Speaker B:You can now document and show the other employees how to get to that same level by using a tool as a training device.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B:So we have a lot of companies that are doing that currently.
Speaker B:I can tell you that for some of our existing customers, they're using the meter and the app and the thickness gauge to not only train their own people, but to train their customers.
Speaker B:And if they're doing any kind of professional correction training, they're using it in those classes as well.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So if you talk to some of the people in the industry like.
Speaker B:Like Rennie Doyle with the.
Speaker B:With the detail mafia he uses.
Speaker B:He uses it every day in his training classes.
Speaker C:Yeah, I believe he was the one that first told me about your guys's tool when we were just starting out the paint correction competition committee and.
Speaker C:And looking into it.
Speaker C:And then Sheldon, when I met, brought it up to Sheldon.
Speaker C:Sheldon said, well, they exhibited with us the year, you know, last year.
Speaker C:So he's like, I'll reach out to him.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we were very happy to be part of the.
Speaker B:The first MTE Paint correction competition.
Speaker C:Oh, man, we were so happy that you guys were there, because I think we would not have done a good enough job without you.
Speaker B:I'm telling you, some of those.
Speaker B:Some of those finishes were so close.
Speaker B:The competition was so tight that without numbers, I don't know how you would have been able to do it.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, I mean.
Speaker C:And again, I mean, we knew we were going to use the tool, but, you know, I think Jason Rose had kind of volunteered to.
Speaker C:To do the metering, but I feel like, you know, just that first conversation the first day when.
Speaker C:When you and Dave were there, and.
Speaker C:And I think he didn't really understand the tool as much as he thought he did.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And he's been using it for, like, seven, eight years.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:So I was like, oh, man.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We definitely, you know, not that we would have done bad.
Speaker C:It was fun, but.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I think it was definitely a plus that you and Dave were there, so that's awesome.
Speaker B:So, again, we.
Speaker B:We like to say the detailometer is showing more than shine.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Is showing you things that you see with your eyes, things that you can start to understand and.
Speaker B:And see if you've gotten that.
Speaker B:If you actually achieved the finish that you were looking for and how consistent is the finish around the whole car.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, we.
Speaker B:The way we see it when you're, when you're doing paint correction, you want to do a, you want to make sure the car is consistent around the whole car, but you also want to make sure you don't over polish.
Speaker B:You don't want to waste time and money on polishing more than you need to.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So by getting numbers, you can feel confident that you are achieving the numbers that you want to achieve on the whole car.
Speaker B:And even aside the instrument, there is the capability to set up what we call a pass fail.
Speaker B:So you can set a, the first part of the car that you do the paint correction on.
Speaker B:You get it to the level you want it to be at and that becomes your master.
Speaker B:Then you compare the rest of the car as you go along.
Speaker B:Am I, am I, am I matching the master surface?
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:And I'll get a pass fail either, either.
Speaker B:I've, if I, if I matched it, then move on to the next section.
Speaker B:So we think this can also be a time saver.
Speaker C:Wow, that's cool.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And also to make sure that you're not, you know, over polishing and maybe burning through the clear coat.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So with, with the Detailometer, it is a battery operated instrument, measures a number of different parameters all simultaneously.
Speaker B:Takes about a second to take the measurement and, and then again that data is automatically transferred to an app on your phone.
Speaker B:So you're, so you're creating a report as you go.
Speaker B:We'll talk about the parameters that are involved in it.
Speaker B:But again, as I mentioned before, the reflected image quality we call distinctness of image, we also have something called reflective image quality, haze and a parameter called RSPEC which is really understanding and giving you the smoothness of the surface.
Speaker B:Okay, so if there's any, any lingering orange peel that still could be in the clear coat, it's telling you if there's still any there okay, that needs to be polished out.
Speaker C:Now just to kind of clarify, distinctive distinctiveness of image.
Speaker C:Like what exactly is that?
Speaker C:I mean, I know you keep saying like reflectiveness, but like how does it actually, like is it just measuring the reflectiveness of it or.
Speaker B:Well, with these meters, they're a meter that reflects a light source onto the surface at a certain angle.
Speaker B:In this case it's a 20 degree angle.
Speaker B:And the reflection back from what we get coming back from that signal on the surface is also at a 20 degree angle.
Speaker B:And we look at that light reflection on how the light's being scattered and, and when, and the way it's being scattered is telling us if there's if there's, we're able to calculate haze.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:If we get a nice sharp reflection back, that's telling me I've got a close to a mirror image, which means I've got a good reflected image quality.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:But it's all based on a light source that we reflect on the surface.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Not much different than if you're using a light source by hand or manually.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Looking at the surface at a certain angle with your eyes and you're, and you're looking at the halos and you're looking at the reflection.
Speaker B:If there's any distortions in your, in your, in your reflected image.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:We're, we're doing it scientifically with, with a, a known light source, which is this, this technique of, of gloss readings over the past 40 some years is all done with the light source.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And I like that it does it at that 20 degree angle because I think most detailers, right, like they, they, when they hold their light up, they hold it straight on.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And, and I, I know I've seen, you know, a lot of, you know, kind of seasoned detailers, they'll usually hold their light out at an angle on the panel because then, then it really, because if you direct on it almost kind of washes out.
Speaker C:But if you get it at that angle, then that's where you can kind of maybe see that fine stuff you're missing.
Speaker C:So I feel like exactly the same, same replicating the same thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, so if you look at this image here, I have a before and after comparisons.
Speaker B:You'll see that this is off of a, a Porsche vehicle.
Speaker B:You'll see that the top area is still got a lot of scratches and haziness to it.
Speaker B:And the bottom image is the scratches are gone.
Speaker B:The black painted finish is much more reflective.
Speaker B:And so you can see if your eyes the difference.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:If I take those differences and put them into numbers, you'll see that graph on the right hand side, for example, I'm showing the distinctness of image of the green graph.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And that distinctness of image, if you notice it peaks way down to below 40.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:In the beginning.
Speaker B:And as I start to polish the, the vehicle, you see that graph gravitate up close to 100.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's where you want to get to for distinctness of image.
Speaker B:You want to get to a, to an, to a surface that's close to perfect, which is, it only goes up to 100.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Now if I look at the haze level, which is the red graph, the Haze level starts out at a peak that's close to 100.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And then you see, and then it levels out and drops down to close to zero.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they're opposites of each other.
Speaker B:The distinctness of image.
Speaker B:You want to be a high number, the, the haze number.
Speaker B:You want to be a low number.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And, and RSPEC is again telling me if it's getting smoother.
Speaker B:So if I look at that blue scale graph for the R spec, it starts out at a lower number and it's, and again as my DOI goes up, goes up and my Haze goes down, the R spec is also getting smoother.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Now let me ask you this.
Speaker C:What's the difference between, on the, on the tool, what's the difference between Haze and Logic Haze?
Speaker C:Because I know when I did my, my metering and you even I, I kind of showed you, you said oh, you had it on Haze and it was a good number.
Speaker C:But when you guys did the competition, you did Logic Haze.
Speaker C:So what's the difference between.
Speaker B:Well we, we actually, we reverted back to regular haze after the first couple of readings because we've, we've, we figured out the Log Haze is a higher resolution of haze.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:It's used in the automotive industry.
Speaker B:And, and because they like to see higher numbers, I can tell you, for example at Mercedes they look at haze levels in Log Haze.
Speaker B:If it's like 70 or lower the number, they're saying that's good, that's what they expect in a factory delivered vehicle.
Speaker B:But in the detailing industry, I like to promote the idea of I want to get to 100 or close to 100 on doi and I want to get to zero on haze.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:I don't want to see a number of 70 or, or 50 or, or.
Speaker C:70 seems like a bit.
Speaker C:That's crazy.
Speaker B:So, so, so I, I differentiate it a little bit from the automotive industry saying okay, I think the finishes are better from these professional paint corrector guys.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Than it is coming out of the factory.
Speaker B:And so, so there's still levels of orange peel in the clear coat coming from the factory.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And so when you guys are doing work on cars either brand new or, or a few years later, you're trying to erase some of that orange peel that's in that, in that clear coat.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So that's why we, we use, in the competition we use DOI and we used regular haze.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And, and, and you'll see when the reports are sent out.
Speaker B:We're, we're going to send those out later today and Tomorrow to all the contestants.
Speaker C:Did you get all the emails?
Speaker B:I got all the emails, so yeah, we're good to go.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:But you'll see that the, if I get down to zero haze, that's perfect.
Speaker B:You can't get any better than that.
Speaker B:And, and we had quite a few contestants, by the way, that were down in that range.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:So you'll see that when we send you copies of the, of the reports.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So again, the other thing that we did differently with the technology that was not available with the seven, eight years ago, with the other instruments that other customers were using from us, is we created an app.
Speaker B:The app comes with the instrument for free.
Speaker B:There's no annual fees.
Speaker B:There's no subscription service.
Speaker B:It's included.
Speaker B:You can run it on a, on an iPad, you can run it on a PC, you can run it on your iPhone or your Android device.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And, and it's a really nice app because it allows you to document the before and after results for your, for your, your projects, but it also shows you what areas of the vehicle did you measure.
Speaker B:You can include photographs of the vehicle before and after.
Speaker B:You can include what tools you used to do the paint correction.
Speaker B:So anything that you want to add to the app is completely customizable.
Speaker B:The customer can put their logo, they can put all their marketing information on the reports.
Speaker B:And when you're done with the project, you deliver to the customer a PDF file or you print it out on the paper and give them a written report.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:So that's the app.
Speaker B:And the app is again, something that's easy to use, something easy to document.
Speaker B:You'll be able to collect all the, all the data that you collected.
Speaker B:And again, I think it also also offers the professional paint corrector kind of a level of prestige that they can generate with their company and use it, use it as a marketing tool.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:You take away the finger pointing.
Speaker B:You take away, you justify your pricing plans.
Speaker B:You verify that you did exceptional work.
Speaker B:You also got the data archived.
Speaker B:So when the customer comes back to you a couple years from now or, or next year or whenever you've got their, their previous data to go look at and, and see how, how their, their paint finish changed since the last time it was in for.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Correction.
Speaker C:So, so when they tell you they haven't been going through the car wash, right?
Speaker C:And, and you meter it and you go.
Speaker B:Out the sun too long or something, right?
Speaker C:Yeah, you're like, you're like Jerry Springer or, or, or whatever.
Speaker C:No, not Jerry Springer, the other guy.
Speaker C:And he's like the report says.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:Going through the car wash.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You are, you are the father.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So again, I.
Speaker B:A lot of companies that, that are getting involved with the Detailometer are now starting to use it for their marketing and basically show their brand awareness to their customer base and within the industry.
Speaker B:So we like to call it.
Speaker B:The results are golden because now I got real numbers.
Speaker B:If the professional paint correction shop is doing any work with dealerships now, you can settle on a specification before you start the work and then you.
Speaker B:And then you've got results that are in writing to show them.
Speaker B:Here's what the work I did for you.
Speaker B:And again, get rid of all the finger pointing.
Speaker B:There's not.
Speaker B:My eyes seen it differently than your eyes.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:It's all in the numbers.
Speaker B:So let's talk about the numbers briefly.
Speaker B:What do they mean?
Speaker B:There's five key measurements captured by the Detailometer.
Speaker B:The one of them which I think is one of the more important ones is distinctness of image.
Speaker B:Second one I would say is probably most important is haze.
Speaker B:Now we've got a third one called riq, which is reflected image quality, which is a higher resolution of DOI.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So if you're getting close to your 100 score on DOI and you say, well, on this particular car, I want to take it to the next level, then I can look at the RIQ numbers and see if I can fine tune it a little bit more.
Speaker B:So I think even going into next year's competition, we are probably going to start looking at RIQ numbers as well because the scores are so close.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:RSpec is again, the peak gloss level at a very narrow angle, which really indicates if I've got a smooth surface or not.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So the way we use that is, is if the R spec number is close to your gloss level number, then you know, you've gotten rid of all the orange peel and you got a very smooth surface.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Would that, would that also kind of fall into like swirl marking and light scratches and things like that?
Speaker C:Would that read that or is it just reading?
Speaker B:It's more for the orange peel.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:The, the, the swirl marks and scratches are going to be in your haze.
Speaker C:Okay, gotcha.
Speaker B:So let's talk about what, what are these various parameters mean and how can you, you know, how can you wrap your mind around what they're doing?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So the first one, the distinctness of image.
Speaker B:If we look at these seven images of a pattern, a optical pattern, you can look at all of those from, from the top left one to the bottom right one.
Speaker B:And I guarantee you that the.
Speaker B:The gloss readings are going to be very similar for all of them.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:But you look at those with your eyes and say, well, I know those are not as good.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:The one up on top left is blurry.
Speaker B:I can't even see anything.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:And the ones on the bottom, the bottom right are nice and clear and crisp.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So DOI gives you a number from 0 to 100.
Speaker B:And if I'm looking at that one on the top left, that's probably a zero.
Speaker B:And the one on the bottom right is.
Speaker B:Is going to be close to 100.
Speaker B:And you can visually see that with your eyes.
Speaker B:As I go through the.
Speaker B:Through these types of numbers, how the clarity of the reflection gets better and better, and it really matches the numbers.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's doi.
Speaker B:If we look at the next one, which is haze, which we call reflective haze.
Speaker B:Reflective haze is basically a cloudiness, milkiness, halo marks, swirl marks, scratches.
Speaker B:It's basically microscopic surface textures.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Which are polishing marks, scratches, weathering.
Speaker B:That's diffusing my light.
Speaker B:My light's not getting a nice, nice sharp reflection.
Speaker B:I'm getting it dispersed in the surface of the paint.
Speaker B:And you can see this.
Speaker B:A lot of times if you've got a strong light source, you're going to see that with a light source.
Speaker B:The other way you'll see it is if I take the car from inside the shop to outdoors in a bright sunlight, all of a sudden, some of those scratches and things you thought you got out are still showing up, which means they're there.
Speaker B:And the Hays numbers would have found them in the haze numbers.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So be assured that the numbers are going to be better than what you see with your eyes, and it's going to really match what you see, especially if I go outside into the bright sunlight.
Speaker B:So that's what we call haze.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:The third parameter is called raq, Reflective image quality.
Speaker B:And RAQ is basically another new measurement that we created.
Speaker B:If I'm looking at highly reflective coatings and.
Speaker B:And I've got two different panels for the same gloss level, and maybe the DOIs are pretty darn close as well.
Speaker B:But looking at them with my eyes, I can see that they're slightly different.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The RIQ number is going to quantify that.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So that's why I said when you get close to.
Speaker B:To 100, let's say on DOI.
Speaker B:But, you know, there's still a little bit there that I want to.
Speaker B:I want to resolve.
Speaker B:That's when I would switch over to the RIQ number, which is already there automatically anyway.
Speaker B:So all you have to do is look at it and say, okay, my riq.
Speaker B:My RIQ reflected image quality has gone up from a little bit.
Speaker B:A little bit more effort on my part.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:You could also be looking at those things, by the way, with different polishes, different pads.
Speaker B:You know, we talked about using this instrument not only for doing paint correction, but it can be used to evaluate ceramic coatings and protective films, because those all have a certain level of clarity as well.
Speaker B:So I can use the detailometer to measure before and after I add various types of coatings before and after I add a protective film.
Speaker B:So that's riq.
Speaker B:Our spec is what we call the peak reflectance.
Speaker B:And on the meter itself, there's a graph that you can go to.
Speaker B:To look at and say, okay, I've got a gloss level of 89.1 on one panel, and I got a gloss level of 89.0 on a second panel.
Speaker B:But I can see the first panel has some orange peel signature to it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Because my, my, my peak is very short and, and kind of squatty.
Speaker B:It's not a nice narrow peak.
Speaker B:The other way to look at that is, is your R spec number should be close to or equal to your gloss.
Speaker B:If I got a smooth surface.
Speaker B:So if you look at the.
Speaker B:The data on the right, which is a smooth surface, my RSpec number is 88.7.
Speaker B:My gloss is 89.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it's almost the same.
Speaker B:Almost the same.
Speaker B:But if I look on the orange peel panel, my RSpec is 57.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Now, again, if you look at DOI for both of those, you'll see the DOI's got a big difference.
Speaker B:But the haze level is pretty much the same on both, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So again, it's another parameter to use.
Speaker B:You know, there's not a single parameter that's going to tell you everything.
Speaker B:The doi, the haze are two of the most important ones.
Speaker B:But I think the.
Speaker B:If you know you've got a level of orange peel that you're trying to get out of the surface through wet sanding or some type of sanding operation, you're going to see how smooth you got it afterwards by looking at the.
Speaker B:At the R spec compared to the gloss.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So it's another tool on your, on your instrument that's usable.
Speaker B:The final parameters, gloss again at 20 degrees.
Speaker B:Y.
Speaker B:20 degrees, because 20 degrees is the best gloss angle for highly reflective surfaces.
Speaker B:Anything that goes from, from a, let's say like a 70 on a, on a gloss reading.
Speaker B:On a normal gloss reading up to a mirror finish, 20 degrees going to give you a better, more accurate, more higher resolution of data compared to a regular gloss reading.
Speaker B:Now we make instruments that measure everything from 60 degree angles, which is kind of a standard gloss meter angle in the industry worldwide for automotive and other things.
Speaker B:We measure 20 degrees for highly reflective surface, which is what we think the paint correction market is all about.
Speaker B:And then for very low gloss surfaces, we've got an angle called 85°.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And 85°, a very shallow angle.
Speaker B:If I'm looking at a matte finish or some type of a very low gloss surface, I would probably use an 85 degree.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Now I can tell you from our, the competition at Mobile Tech, the panels to begin with had no gloss.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Because the gloss was all sanded off.
Speaker B:So yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So we weren't able to get any good readings on that pre polishing.
Speaker B:Now with an 85 degree angle, we, we could have got a gloss reading on it, but that wouldn't have done much to help us I think for the competition.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:So who are, who's using these products, these detailometers?
Speaker B:Who are some of the first.
Speaker C:Alex Russell is.
Speaker C:You can put me on that list.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:I'm going to.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker C:I don't, I don't know if that'll help you or hurt you, but.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker B:Since we started a couple years ago, Rainey Doyle was one of our first early adopters.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:Mike Phillips now is also on board as a user of the instrument.
Speaker B:He's using it for his training classes as well as some of the projects he works on.
Speaker B:Rupes has been a great customer for the past, I want to say eight years and they've been using it for everything from, from not the detailometer.
Speaker B:They've been using the, the instrument called the iq, which was a more expensive instrument at the time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They are now starting to use the detailometers as well.
Speaker B:So they do have one or two of the detailometers and they're looking to acquire a couple more nice Esoteric Fine Finishes is a, is a large paint correction detailing company out of Ohio and they've been using the IQ product also for about the past seven, eight years.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And they're a big proponent of DOI and haze as readings.
Speaker B:They've even used it to evaluate what protective films they wanted to use in their shop with their customers.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we do have a couple of companies that are also reselling for us.
Speaker B:Professional detailing products is a reseller.
Speaker B:We've got Griot's Garage using it for their training and some of their R D work.
Speaker B:Adams Polishes using it for some of their R D and training purposes.
Speaker B:Stinger Chemical has a system now and they're looking at becoming a reseller for us.
Speaker B:I got to talk a little further with them about that.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And then we've got some other companies that are, that are making polishing compounds that, that are like, and they're making ceramic coatings like the Dura Slicks, the high tech industries, etc so it's something that's, it's gaining some, some traction and steam.
Speaker B:And again because of the mobile tech show, we are running a special discount for anybody that wants to purchase the kit, the Detailometer kit through the end of February.
Speaker B:We're offering a 10% show discount.
Speaker B:And all you have to do is call us up on the telephone and we can take your order right over the telephone and process it for you.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:We don't have on the website.
Speaker B:We do have a website, but we don't have on the website the special discount at this point.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker B:So I'm going to stop sharing that now.
Speaker B:That's a little bit of an overview of what the technology is.
Speaker B:It's based on a light source technology that we own that, that started out as, as gloss meters but, but it went well beyond that.
Speaker B:And because we still sell gloss meters that are almost the same price as the Detailometer.
Speaker C:Oh wow.
Speaker B:Just a single 60 degree gloss meter.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And the, and the industry, you know, automotives, aerospace, etc are still purchasing those instruments when they have to meet a specification of 60 degree gloss.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So I think that the price point for the Detailometer we brought down to about half of what the previous products were called IQ and with a special discounts we were able to lower it a little bit more and it's free shipping also anywhere in the usa.
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker C:Let me ask you this because I, I had little time playing around with it.
Speaker C:Is it possible to get hundreds?
Speaker C:I mean I've gotten pretty close on like DOI.
Speaker B:I've seen them up to, I've seen it up to 99.
Speaker C:Have you?
Speaker C:Okay, yeah.
Speaker B:98.99 is not impossible.
Speaker C:I'm wanting, now that I've gotten, now that I've gotten the, the, the tool back, I want to start playing with some of those panels and see what I can do.
Speaker C:If you don't mind, I'd love to give you My, my befores and afters.
Speaker C:And, and maybe maybe you could just be like, ah, you might have placed.
Speaker C:You might have not have.
Speaker B:Yeah, yes, absolutely.
Speaker C:And again, when I, when I did my panel, because I, I didn't have a cool contraption to hold it down, so I was only able to do like the, maybe 8 inches of the middle of the pants.
Speaker C:I only did a dead center.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So my gloss before was 8.3.
Speaker C:My gloss after was 84.5.
Speaker B:Your gloss went up a little bit.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:8.3 to 84.
Speaker C:That's a lot of it.
Speaker C:But okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:My DOI was 31.6.
Speaker C:Before.
Speaker C:After was 98.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a big change.
Speaker C:I feel like that's pretty good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:This was the one I was most happy with.
Speaker C:So my haze was 195.9.
Speaker C:Before.
Speaker C:Before.
Speaker B:Log haze.
Speaker C:Log haze, it was 0.0 after.
Speaker B:Oh, you can't get any better than that.
Speaker C:Can't get any better.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:And then my RIQ before was 25.0.
Speaker C:And after was 93.0.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the, the numbers make.
Speaker B:Numbers match with what you see with your eyes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I can also tell you in the competition because we, we measured five different zones on the panel, we saw clearly that some of the work that was being done by the competitors, they were spending too much time on the edges and not enough time in the middle.
Speaker C:In the middle.
Speaker B:And so the numbers you could see from one zone to another was there was, there was some pretty good sized changes.
Speaker B:The guys, the guys that knew what they were doing, they had a consistent consistency ratings on all five zones.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:But we had a few that, like, one of the zones they would do terrible in because they.
Speaker B:Now the other thing that was interesting, I think was in the competition was was that the, the types of products and, and tools they were using, they were all different.
Speaker B:They weren't.
Speaker B:Nobody used the same tools and products.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:And that was kind of interesting as well to see is, did the product make the difference or was it the paint corrector that made the difference?
Speaker C:So one of the questions that I've kind of been wrestling with that I think we should have done, although I kind of, you know, aired to Jason Rose, was the panel wipe.
Speaker C:Does the panel wipe help or hurt them if they didn't?
Speaker B:When was the panel wipe done?
Speaker B:Before or after?
Speaker C:Well, I mean, so, so like, after they were done, I felt like all the panels should have been wiped after they were done.
Speaker C:Jason was like, it, if they do it in their five minutes, they do it if they don't, they don't.
Speaker C:And that's one of the things I'm going to talk about next year is it needs to be done regardless.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But Jason kind of made it out.
Speaker C:Like, if they didn't and they leave product on there, it could hurt them as.
Speaker C:Is that true or could it possibly help?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:If there's any residue left on the area we were measuring.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:It could hurt them.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So it was definitely better to have to have them wipe it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Because that's one of the things I.
Speaker C:I want to.
Speaker C:I want to approach for next year is regardless if it's done in the five minutes or if we say, hey, you have five minutes to do it, and then you have 20 seconds or 30 seconds to.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To wipe or whatever.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think it needs to be done just to, I think, be true again.
Speaker C:I mean, I know we were trying to make sure that people weren't using gloss enhancers.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Fillers or things of that nature.
Speaker C:But, you know, again, you never know because apparently there was one person who had a bottle of Rupes that Jason Rose says was not a Rupes product.
Speaker C:When he saw it being put on.
Speaker C:He's in.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And Brian from Duras Lake was like, how do you know?
Speaker C:And Jason's like, I know my products, and that was not my product.
Speaker C:So apparently ended up.
Speaker C:Not if the.
Speaker C:And I don't think that the.
Speaker C:The kid was trying to cheat by any means.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But it would be weird that he had, you know, some product in a different bottle.
Speaker C:But that, to me, that's.
Speaker C:That's why I felt like maybe the, the panel prep should have been.
Speaker C:Regardless if somebody used something with gloss enhancers or fillers or something like that, the panel prep would strip that away anyways.
Speaker B:Well, if you, if you give everybody the same kind of cleaning cloth.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they all have to follow the same process, it shouldn't be an issue.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I do want to say there's a few times when we were measuring some of the panels afterwards that Dave had to blow off some of the.
Speaker B:Some of the.
Speaker B:The leftover lint and everything coming off the pads.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:And again, anything that's left on that surface, if it's dirt, dust.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Fibers, it could impact the light reflection of the instrument and it will add to your.
Speaker B:Add to your haze and your diminished doi.
Speaker C:So next year, we need to make sure that the contestant.
Speaker C:If we don't want to touch it, the contestant gets either extra time or just time period to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Wipe their wipe Their pans down.
Speaker C:Make sure there's no dust or.
Speaker C:Or microfibers or wool.
Speaker C:Wool strings or anything.
Speaker B:Well, you don't blow it off.
Speaker B:Maybe we have a little.
Speaker C:Little.
Speaker C:Little pancake air compressor or something.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Something just to blow off the surface to get off any.
Speaker B:If you don't want to wipe something that might put scratches in it or.
Speaker C:You know, Chris.
Speaker C:Chris Metcalf with ego, had some of them big blowers down there.
Speaker C:We should have went and got one of those.
Speaker C:Yeah, one of those big ego leaf blowers.
Speaker B:The other thing I would recommend.
Speaker B:And we'll talk about that, I guess, when we.
Speaker B:Yeah, but I'd recommend that the pre.
Speaker B:Panels are not sanded so much.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:Or we do some.
Speaker B:Find some way to do more of a natural aging.
Speaker B:Accelerated aging or whatever of the paint to simulate real world conditions of car washes and.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And oxidation and those types of things.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, listen, I can just.
Speaker C:They're all in my shop.
Speaker C:I can just lay them out and just beat them with a brush.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, for.
Speaker C:For whatever I.
Speaker C:I liked.
Speaker C:I can't remember if it was yours or Dave's idea.
Speaker C:I liked it.
Speaker C:The idea of doing a.
Speaker C:A weathered panel competition where we just leave the panels.
Speaker C:I'll just throw them all out in my backyard and let them get hit on the Florida sun and rain for the next year.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:And then let the competitors.
Speaker C:Wet sand, compounded polish.
Speaker C:So maybe maybe year three, I think year two.
Speaker C:Year two, we just got to fine tune year one, and then we can kind of branch off from there.
Speaker C:But, yeah, we learned a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Both of us learned a lot on this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker C:Because, you know, when Sheldon asked me to help him do this, you know, I told him, I said, look, I.
Speaker C:I don't know anything about this.
Speaker C:I don't even know if I want to be a part of it, because I don't know if it's going to be a good thing for you.
Speaker C:A good thing for me, a bad thing for you.
Speaker C:A bad thing for me.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I said, but here's what I'll do is I.
Speaker C:I will find you the right people and we'll make a committee.
Speaker C:And I think that was the smartest thing was having the committee.
Speaker C:I'm very glad that you.
Speaker C:You and Dave, you know, took on, you know, the role that you guys did.
Speaker C:And I'm excited for you guys to.
Speaker C:To join the committee this year to help us next year with, like, okay, how can we, you know, do the judging maybe a little Bit different or what suggestions you guys have.
Speaker B:And I guess we got some ideas.
Speaker B:One, one of the ideas I, Dave and I had was it be nice to have a, a big screen TV in the booth that as the data is being collected.
Speaker C:Oh, it could be shown up there.
Speaker B:Shown right up to the audience.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:I like that.
Speaker B:And that way they can see it's real.
Speaker C:Jason had, although I don't think we could do it, I think it might be a little too expensive and a little too tricky to do because I don't know that you guys would be able to.
Speaker C:To do the data fast stuff.
Speaker C:But Jason Rose had the idea of like when you go to the go kart track and they have the thing and as you pass somebody like, you know, like the names go up and down.
Speaker C:He said it'd be cool if, if we could do that.
Speaker C:Like, you know, whoever goes first obviously starts at the top and then if the next person does better than them, then they flip flop.
Speaker C:But again, I don't know that you guys would be able to, to crank out the data.
Speaker B:Yeah, that, that could be done, but it's going to have to be a.
Speaker B:Probably a custom program written for that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Some kind of a spreadsheet program of something.
Speaker C:Yeah, that might be a bit much, but I mean, it's a cool idea.
Speaker C:But I do like your guys's idea of maybe we do a TV and have real time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Data being shown.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:The numbers up there and everything like that.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean it was, it was definitely a lot of fun.
Speaker C:You know, it drew crowds at certain times of the day, which, which was really nice.
Speaker C:I think, I think the, the people coming around kind of like, what is this?
Speaker C:What's going on?
Speaker C:And, and then, and then two, watching you and Dave do the, you know, taking the measurements and get.
Speaker C:Collecting the data, I think that got a lot of people.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, how are you guys doing this?
Speaker C:How are you guys doing this?
Speaker C:So again, that's why I wanted to have you on here and kind of go over it so everybody can listen to it and understand exactly what we did and how we did it.
Speaker C:And, and maybe next year the people that were kind of curious but didn't, maybe they'll show up and see what they can do.
Speaker B:So I think, I think that's a good idea.
Speaker B:And I think the other thing I, if we need to increase the bandwidth of getting more competitors in.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, that was one of the things Sheldon talked about bumping it to 30, you know, and we might have to do two tables, right.
Speaker C:You know, my thought is, you guys measure one, that guy goes and starts that one.
Speaker C:You're measuring the other one, right?
Speaker C:You're done measuring that one.
Speaker C:He's done with that one.
Speaker C:You go over and measure the afters, the next guy starts, and we, you know, rotate them like that.
Speaker B:You know, we have two or we have two data collectors and two guys.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm excited to see where it can go.
Speaker C:I mean, I.
Speaker C:I definitely feel like we probably could do more than 30 next year.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:My thought is maybe we have 30 spots available, but we bring an extra 10 pans, because, as you know, we had a lot of people that kind of, you know, as people didn't show up, they wanted to jump in and take their place, you know.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And take, you know, so that was kind of nice because I think we had what, maybe four people that didn't show up, and we had three.
Speaker C:I think we had three people fill in because we only had one.
Speaker C:One pan left over.
Speaker C:So I think next year, if we just have extra pans and for that case, you know, that we could always maybe add somebody in or whatever.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I think definitely it's going to come down to, you know, we have to figure out the system.
Speaker C:We didn't really have a system.
Speaker C:We made it up on the fly.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:That was another.
Speaker C:Another challenging, Challenging aspect of it.
Speaker C:So hopefully we can all get together beforehand and, And.
Speaker C:And get a system going for adding more people.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I'm excited for next year.
Speaker C:I think it's.
Speaker C:I think it definitely drew a lot of buzz this year.
Speaker C:I think there's, you know, obviously people already excited and talking about it for next year.
Speaker C:So, in fact, I was just, before talking to you, I was talking with Bob Rasman from.
Speaker C:From Carbright, and.
Speaker C:And he's excited because, you know, for him, and I think this is a great thing for brands.
Speaker C:This is a way to put your product up against, you know, competition.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You know, and.
Speaker C:And for him with Carbright, you know, it was okay.
Speaker C:We can.
Speaker C:They'll get your data, you know, of what they did and how they did and where they placed, because then they can go back to the drawing board with their products and be like, hey, we.
Speaker C:We need to tweak this.
Speaker C:We need to tweak that.
Speaker C:You know, same thing with.
Speaker C:With Brian from Duraslich.
Speaker C:You know, I mean, I'm sure he was using it for, you know, whatever.
Speaker C:Even Aaron Knox.
Speaker C:Aaron Knox jumped into it because he was dying too.
Speaker C:But he had a sample compound, heavy cut compound that he wanted to see how I perform.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And so he used.
Speaker C:He basically did the competition just to test that compound and see how it would, you know, finish down and everything.
Speaker B:So he did pretty well, by the way.
Speaker B:But he did not win.
Speaker C:No, he did not.
Speaker C:He did.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:He was up there in the top 10.
Speaker B:Okay, that's good.
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker C:I told him he was like, 14th, and he was like, oh, man.
Speaker C:I was like, no, I don't really know.
Speaker C:I have no idea.
Speaker C:But he's.
Speaker C:He's a good friend of mine, so I like busting.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:We've been good friends for a while, so there's a.
Speaker C:There's always a little brotherly feuding going back and forth between him and I online and stuff like that, so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, listen, Daryl, I won't keep you any longer.
Speaker C:I appreciate you for doing this.
Speaker C:I think this is a ton of information.
Speaker C:I'm so glad that.
Speaker C:That we decided to use your guys's tool versus kind of using eyes, because that's the one thing that I noticed in this competition was there were a lot of pans that I looked at and was like, wow.
Speaker C:You know, I'll just call them out.
Speaker C:Steve Persia.
Speaker C:I watched Steve Persia's pan.
Speaker B:It was pretty good.
Speaker C:It was done.
Speaker C:And I was like, that's a pretty damn good pan.
Speaker C:I was like, he's got it.
Speaker C:There's no way.
Speaker C:That's probably the best pan I've seen all day.
Speaker C:You know, apparently my eyes are.
Speaker C:Because that detailometer said Steve Persa did not win.
Speaker B:So again, you look at the averages.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You had five zones, and you might have been looking at your eyes with one zone.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And again, I was trying to look at the light up top.
Speaker C:You know, typical detail.
Speaker C:I was trying to follow.
Speaker C:Follow the light around the pan so I could see, you know, any haze or.
Speaker C:Or swirls or anything like that.
Speaker C:So again, I might not have even been looking at any of the spots that you guys, you know, measured just because I was following that light, but.
Speaker B:He was pretty good.
Speaker B:I, Again, I would say the top and.
Speaker B:And you'll see the results when we send you the summary.
Speaker B:But the top 12 out of the.
Speaker C:Out of the 19, we're all by, like, points.
Speaker B:They're all within a point.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, they're all so close.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And it came down to fractions.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I figured.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:When I.
Speaker C:When I saw you guys doing it a lot of the.
Speaker C:A lot of the main numbers were very similar, you know, like 83, 84s.
Speaker C:But then it was like that 0.2 or that 0.3.
Speaker C:That was kind of like a difference, so.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:That's what I knew it was going to come down to.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:And that's the other thing that's kind of cool too, is because realistically, just looking at them with the eyes, like you just said, everybody in the top 12 could have won it, you know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:But, you know, this kind of makes it like, you know, racing, you know, it doesn't matter if all three cars.
Speaker C:That's right, you know, by the eyes cross the finish line at the same time.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's that tenths of a second or that hundreds of a second or, you know, thousands of a second that make a difference, so.
Speaker B:Or you got it by a nose.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:Yep, yep.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I, I appreciate you for everything that you did with this.
Speaker C:I'm excited to work with you guys throughout this year to make the competition better.
Speaker C:Thank you again for coming on, explaining everything.
Speaker C:So now, hopefully everybody out there who was curious about it or who questioned it or didn't understand it now has a better understanding of it.
Speaker C:And, and then, yeah, if anybody wants to get one of these fine tools and save 10%, you know where to go.
Speaker C:And I'll, I'll put the, the website link in the show notes of this episode as well.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I appreciate it.
Speaker C:Yeah, thanks, Daryl.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker C:We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker B:All right, bye.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker A:Hey, guys.
Speaker A:Alex Russell with the Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with Mike Phillips.
Speaker A:Hey, Mike, how you doing?
Speaker A:I'm doing great.
Speaker B:How yourself?
Speaker A:Good, buddy.
Speaker A:So you're the guinea pig for the first ever MTE Pig Correction competition?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:What you think?
Speaker A:First of all, I love the idea.
Speaker A:You know, here at Mobile Tech Expo, we.
Speaker A:We've always had the Dan Pulley competition and a number of the other ones that really involved the industry at Mobile Tech Expo, but we never had a paint correction competition.
Speaker A:So now that you guys have developed this format, we can learn from anything that needs to be tweaked and advance it forward.
Speaker A:And it's just going to give a lot of guys in the industry to come here and prove they got the right stuff.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So how do you feel now that you were the first one?
Speaker A:How do you feel?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:In hindsight, I should have been the last one.
Speaker A:Then I kind of got the feedback from everybody else that went before me, but I really don't mind.
Speaker A:I didn't enter this with any kind of ego.
Speaker A:I just wanted to come in and be a part of it.
Speaker A:Of course, fingers are crossed.
Speaker A:I place if I place that screen.
Speaker A:If not, I am going to congratulate whoever wins because this is a tough competition.
Speaker A:That paint, by the way, is rock hard.
Speaker A:I would compare it to stainless steel or glass.
Speaker A:It really cuts hard.
Speaker A:But that makes it a good competition because when you come into something like this, you don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker A:It could have been soft paint, and as a professional, you need to be able to figure out if it's soft, medium, hard, and then you need the skills, the tools, the pads, the products to take care of that paint.
Speaker A:It's right in front of you.
Speaker A:Nothing's hypothetical.
Speaker A:You got to know your stuff.
Speaker A:Listen, Mike, I appreciate you for doing this.
Speaker A:So many of your caliber in this industry.
Speaker A:This is great for this event because obviously there's been a lot of, like, how are they going to do it?
Speaker A:What are they going to do?
Speaker A:You know, and everything.
Speaker A:So I love that you were just, like, all in to help support, and we greatly appreciate that.
Speaker A:Well, you guys did a good job.
Speaker A:So one of the things whenever you're doing product testing is you have to have what are called controls.
Speaker A:Controls in place, and that way you can keep everything even.
Speaker A:So really, what it comes down to is the person, the product, the tool and the paths.
Speaker A:All other aspects are being controlled.
Speaker A:So it's very fair there.
Speaker A:So you guys came up with a great business model for this, and I'm looking forward to next year already.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Well, hopefully you'll come back.
Speaker A:Maybe you'll be the returning champion.
Speaker A:Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker A:Appreciate it, buddy.
Speaker A:Hey, guys, it's Alex again with Detailed Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I've got Brian from Duran Slick here.
Speaker A:He just competed in the bankruptcy competition.
Speaker A:So, Brian, what do you.
Speaker A:What do you think, man?
Speaker A:How do you feel?
Speaker A:I feel good.
Speaker A:I saw my number, so I feel a little good.
Speaker A:It was harder than I thought it was going to be.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, five minute mark got me a little.
Speaker A:That's what I was going to ask you.
Speaker A:What did you think about that five minute mark?
Speaker A:It was one of the pressure, so it was definitely pressure, of course, with the audience, and everything is a little bit more pressure.
Speaker A:But I think I switched pads too many times.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I probably should have backed off on that.
Speaker A:But overall, I feel good about what I did.
Speaker A:So you did a.
Speaker A:You did a like a full, like, four step.
Speaker A:You covered with a.
Speaker A:With a rotary And a wool.
Speaker A:Then you, then you step down to like a foam pad, then you step down to a polishing pad, then you step down to a jeweling pad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do you feel like you could have maybe done that in two steps or three steps?
Speaker A:I probably could have, but after that.
Speaker B:First cut the wool, I went with the wool pad.
Speaker A:I probably should want the microfiber pad and cut it one time, but I had to get that, the cut marks from the wool pad out and then I had to step it back up.
Speaker A:So it wasn't that much time with the microfiber pad, but I probably wasted a little bit of time.
Speaker A:So any thoughts going forward, like next year?
Speaker A:Do you see anything like maybe we do differently or do you like the way that it's set up now and maybe just fine tuning stuff?
Speaker A:I like the way it's set up now, but I think that maybe if we could do it on a car would be better.
Speaker A:But yeah, you can't sit there and cut, cut on the car.
Speaker A:So it's probably the best setup.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, you guys did a great job.
Speaker A:Listen, Brian, we appreciate you joining this.
Speaker A:Obviously supporting mobile tech and the bank action competition coming from a brand.
Speaker A:So that's what we're trying to get.
Speaker A:I mean, we love to have kind of the everyday guys that are just in the shop, but like to compete against the guys in the industry.
Speaker A:I think it's awesome, man.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you, sir.
Speaker A:Appreciate it.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Yo, drink out.
Speaker A:Hey, guys.
Speaker A:Alex again with Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with Joseph.
Speaker A:So you're our third contestant.
Speaker A:You're the first one to do DA Only.
Speaker A:And not only DA Only, but battery powered group sda.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:How do you feel?
Speaker A:I mean, I feel great.
Speaker A:I think I did as much as I could in such a short period of time.
Speaker A:And with the products you had, it did throw me off.
Speaker A:I wasn't able to use like the Roots unit protect, which is a sealant at the end, but it's cool, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah, I love it.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Okay, so in your process, like, what were you kind of thinking?
Speaker A:I mean, especially being that you were only going to use da.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Most people have been talking about bringing multiple tools, rotaries and stuff like that.
Speaker A:So what was your thought?
Speaker A:Just like, hey, I'm just going to go with da.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I don't know, like, I love buffing.
Speaker A:I buffed over like a thousand cars in the last, you know, seven years.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I just use the same system that we use all the time.
Speaker A:It's either menzerna.
Speaker A:Rupes.
Speaker A:Rupes.
Speaker A:Buffer.
Speaker A:Da.
Speaker A:We never put rotaries on cars.
Speaker A:Like, it's just.
Speaker A:It's ugly.
Speaker A:I think it's a.
Speaker A:It's a really bad idea.
Speaker A:You know, it's too hot.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We keep rotaries for, like, boats and campers and stuff.
Speaker A:But so.
Speaker A: oducts can remove up to like,: Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So first year doing this, like, what made you want to.
Speaker A:To jump in and give it a whirl?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's my first year here at mte.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:I love competing and I wanted to see, like, where my paint correction skills are because, like, you know, in the detailing world, everybody says, hey, I'm the best.
Speaker A:I'm the best, I'm the best.
Speaker A:But I'm like, let's put it to the test.
Speaker A:You guys did it in, like, such a scientific way too.
Speaker A:You're taking all the numbers.
Speaker A:And I was like, it's so ingenious what you guys did.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:And the competition just feels great.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:So going forward into next year, if you were going to do this again, is there anything that you would want to see us do differently?
Speaker A:You know, not really.
Speaker A:I mean, I'd like the.
Speaker A:I think it would be cool to have the process go a little bit faster, but I feel like it's.
Speaker A:It's still cool to, you know, take it slow.
Speaker A:It feels so personal and, you know, my heart is still pumping from the competition because you get five minutes, you're staring at the clock and it's intense.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Last question.
Speaker A:Did the corral throw you off any.
Speaker A:The crowd?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely not.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:No, I mean, so you were good under pressure because, like, you know, I put my AirPods in like I do at my shop.
Speaker A:I play music and I just saw the panel, I saw the time.
Speaker A:Just like a customer.
Speaker A:The customer says, I want this job done at this way.
Speaker A:And boom.
Speaker A:And I'm like, done.
Speaker A:Let's get it done.
Speaker A:Listen, Joseph, we appreciate you doing it.
Speaker A:Thanks for having.
Speaker A:Thank you and good luck.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:See ya.
Speaker A:Hey, guys.
Speaker A:Alex again with Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with the Holandro.
Speaker A:So, man, you just finished doing the bank reaction competition?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm sweaty.
Speaker A:You're sweaty.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So how was the pressure?
Speaker A:It was a lot.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:We practiced too.
Speaker A:And it's like one of those sayings, like you've heard it before.
Speaker A:It's like you forget everything when you're there.
Speaker A:That's kind of what happened to me.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So overall, Overall hiding you feel about what you did?
Speaker A:I mean, I, I, I could have done better for sure, but that's what it's all about, right?
Speaker A:You come to compete, pressure's on.
Speaker A:Sometimes things are all nice and dandy.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:How do you feel about the five minutes?
Speaker A:Enough time?
Speaker A:It's not enough time.
Speaker A:No, I think it's perfect.
Speaker A:Like I said, I just, maybe some of us might overdo the first step or process and take a little bit more time than we needed, but I think five minutes is enough.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:So what kind of led you to sign up for this?
Speaker A:I mean, obviously this is our first year doing this.
Speaker A:You know, what was it that stood out to you to sign up?
Speaker A:First thing is like, why not, you know, why not do things like this?
Speaker A:But also it's a very competitive market here in Orlando, so anything to kind of step away from the competition, set myself a little apart.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:We love what we do, so that's why.
Speaker A:Also another reason.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Well, Hondur, I appreciate, appreciate you for doing this.
Speaker A:Thank you, Mobile Tech Expo.
Speaker A:Thanks for having me and good luck tomorrow, man.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:Hey, it's Alex again with Detail Solutions podcast, and I'm here with Paula from Owner's Pride.
Speaker A:Canada.
Speaker A:Canada.
Speaker A:Oh, we're international, baby.
Speaker A:You got two Canadians in this.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker A:It's awesome.
Speaker A:So listen, so you just finished, so how do you feel?
Speaker A:Awesome, man.
Speaker A:That's actually what I was expecting to.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Like, the time frame is cool.
Speaker A:Like the, the system is perfect.
Speaker A:And having Jason monitoring this is.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Stop, dog.
Speaker A:So let me ask you about the time that five minutes, do you feel like it's enough?
Speaker A:Do you feel like it was just enough to keep you on your toes?
Speaker A:Yeah, enough.
Speaker A:I think it's like on the point, you have enough.
Speaker A:I could have done it shorter, but having that window and you know, that window, it works really well.
Speaker A:So basically what I'm getting is next year we go three minutes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what do you think overall about the competition now that you've done it, versus the expectation leading up to us kind of presenting that?
Speaker A:I think that's exactly what we needed in the industry.
Speaker A:You got to set up a standard, whatever that is.
Speaker A:I think this is a great standard.
Speaker A:Maybe just uniform the system.
Speaker A:You know what, Same pad, same polish.
Speaker A:Maybe that's one of the changes.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:So that, that's something that we did look for or we didn't look at.
Speaker A:Maybe going into next year we do a rotary only.
Speaker A:We do a da only competition.
Speaker A:You know, maybe we do.
Speaker A:I've talked about this kind of like a blind taste test where the bottles are unlabeled so you don't know what you're getting.
Speaker A:But again, like this first one, we wanted everybody to feel comfortable.
Speaker A:Comfortable.
Speaker A:Have their own products, have their own stuff.
Speaker A:And I appreciate that cuz we talked about this and this is.
Speaker A:That's exactly what we need.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Leave the egos behind and just work on.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Listen, the egos happen tomorrow at 4:30 when there's a winner.
Speaker A:Then the ego could happen for the next 365 days.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Paula, I appreciate you doing this.
Speaker A:I appreciate you supporting mt, especially somebody of your stature in the industry.
Speaker A:Doing this just, just really helps out for all the other shop guys that are kind of getting into this, helping us out as well.
Speaker A:People within the industry are definitely awesome.
Speaker A:So thank you sir.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Alex again with Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with Dustin.
Speaker A:So you just finished competing in the bank correction competition.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:How do you feel?
Speaker A:Feel pretty good.
Speaker A:It was fun.
Speaker A:So leading up to this and know kind of what made you want to.
Speaker A:To compete?
Speaker A:What if?
Speaker A:What like did.
Speaker A:Was there anything that we did that jumped out at you or was it just competition?
Speaker A:Just competition.
Speaker A:I like competition.
Speaker A:I like doing the best I can do and comparing it to others.
Speaker A:Okay, so with the process that we have, obviously this is the first time and everything like that, how do you feel the process went for you?
Speaker A:Was it really easy?
Speaker A:Yeah, it felt smooth.
Speaker A:So if you were going to give a suggestion for next year, you got any suggestions for us?
Speaker A:I think perfect.
Speaker A:So listen, Dustin, I appreciate you jumping in and doing this, supporting mte, supporting the detailing industry and hopefully this is something that you're back next year.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so congratulations or good luck and thanks for doing this, man.
Speaker A:Hey guys.
Speaker A:Alex again with Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I am here with Michael.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:So you just finished the bank direction competition.
Speaker A:Us.
Speaker A:Pretty cool.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Like the setup's really cool.
Speaker A:Let people do their own stuff, do what they do is very cool.
Speaker A:It gets a lot of the nerves out because I was nervous.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, no complaints.
Speaker A:I'm probably gonna have a.
Speaker A:I might cosplay next year to compete with the PDR guys.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Oh, dude.
Speaker A:We haven't had anybody suggest that that is something we should do.
Speaker A:So I might do that.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker A:That's a good idea.
Speaker A:But I mean everything, every, everything is good.
Speaker A:Given all the info online.
Speaker A: ittle bit when I saw like the: Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Sanding mark.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I need to come a little bit more prepared than what I.
Speaker A:So let me ask you this then.
Speaker A:With everything that you saw online or whatever, is there anything that you feel like maybe we didn't have in there that we need to.
Speaker A:As far as information wise for next year, the only thing might have been is it soft, medium or hard paint?
Speaker A:And adding that because I know for me the this the brand of the paint.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Meant nothing to me.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But that might have been my only critique.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Other than that, I think everything was good.
Speaker A:You got to read the email.
Speaker A:Y read the email, read where it said says get more info.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We gotta read.
Speaker A:I know details.
Speaker A:Hate to read, but we gotta read.
Speaker A:But if you read, you'll get all the info you need.
Speaker A:So let's go back to the nerves thing.
Speaker A:You said you were a little nervous about it.
Speaker A:So is it just the anticipation of like not really knowing or is it the crowd?
Speaker A:It's the crowd.
Speaker A:It's a crowd space for sure.
Speaker A:Just kind of like.
Speaker A:I tried to just dial in and not look up, but I felt like I saw people like, like crowding around.
Speaker A:It's hard cuz when you're in your shop you don't have a crowd of people watching.
Speaker A:Headphones in and you're done.
Speaker A:But here it's like I'm hearing the PDR guys in the background.
Speaker A:I'm hearing people laugh and talk and they might not even be watching the competition.
Speaker A:So it's just not getting in the zone.
Speaker A:But other than that, it was awesome.
Speaker A:This was great.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker A:So we got sequel, so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you said you'll cosplay for next year, so we'll see you next year.
Speaker A:I will be here next year.
Speaker A:I'm here every MTE for like the last five years.
Speaker A:I'm going do it again next year.
Speaker A:Mike, I appreciate you doing this.
Speaker A:I appreciate your support in MTE and the obviously the brand new bank correction competition.
Speaker A:It's been a great start to day one.
Speaker A:And dude, I wish you good luck tomorrow.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:I'm excited to see how I stack up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Appreciate you, Alex.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Alex with Detail Solutions podcast is back again with Mike who just finished.
Speaker A:And Mike, five minutes goes fast, fast.
Speaker A:Fastest five minutes in my life, so.
Speaker A:But overall, what did you think about the competition?
Speaker A:It was fun.
Speaker A:There's big names that I just wanted to do it.
Speaker A:I've never entered one before.
Speaker A:Gotcha.
Speaker A:So, okay, so with the process, like how did you feel about it?
Speaker A:Is it very easy process to kind of get into?
Speaker A:Like nothing kind of matters?
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, mean, I think if you're at the level, you're going to enter a competition that's fairly easy.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:And one thing I saw you do that, that I haven't seen anybody else is you actually used a pump sander to do some of your finishing down.
Speaker C:Correct.
Speaker A:Oh, guy.
Speaker A:Oh, guy.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Same with checking the temperature, dealing with you get the glass, the fiberglass really hot.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I want to make sure I wasn't getting the pain too hot.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So overall feeling, how do you think you did it?
Speaker A:Doesn't matter.
Speaker A:I'm just happy to compete.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm happy to compete.
Speaker A:That was fun.
Speaker A:Well, listen, Mike, we appreciate you for doing this for the first annual one and good luck definitely next year if I don't win.
Speaker C:Thank you, sir.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Let me grab that mic.
Speaker A:Mike.
Speaker A:Hey, this is Alex from the Detail solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here here with Don.
Speaker A:He's another Canadian again.
Speaker A:I told you this was an international competition.
Speaker A:CA Adventures, Canada, whatever.
Speaker A:We love them.
Speaker A:They're our neighbors to the north.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:So Don, what you think?
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:It's something new this year.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:I get bigger and better each year.
Speaker A:I'm sure it will there.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So let me ask you this.
Speaker A:Seeing this and seeing that it was the first time and everything, what was it that made you want to sign up?
Speaker A:Just for the heck of it.
Speaker A:Just for the heck of it.
Speaker A:Heck of it.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:I wanted to showcase Labo's medical products.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:Just wanted to.
Speaker A:So how they bragging, right?
Speaker A:I guess back home.
Speaker B:How are you?
Speaker A:How are you feeling with your pan?
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think we did all right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Obviously being that this is the first year, if there was anything critique wise that you see, like maybe we should change next year or do differently next year, what would you say?
Speaker A:I think at the end of panel car should be used to really show a real true production.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Panel probably's gonna be the one that shows the real truth.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Everything's good.
Speaker A:It's good.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So were there any nerves with.
Speaker A:Because I mean, obviously you've got a.
Speaker A:You gotta love their few people watching you and.
Speaker A:And then of course then there's the time limit.
Speaker A:I mean usually when we're in our shops, got headphones on, we got it's a little bit of nerve wracking in a way.
Speaker A:I would have loved to bring my rotary, but coming from Canada, I can only bring one polisher.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Hard to do.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:You know, just not.
Speaker A:I heard you a couple times saying, like, it's taking forever.
Speaker A:I think you're the first person that said five minutes seemed like it was taking.
Speaker A:Yeah, the five minutes seemed like forever.
Speaker A:There's been some other people that were like, sweating that five minutes.
Speaker A:So, no, I was like, watch my time.
Speaker A:And, you know, my first compound, my.
Speaker A:My second compound was like two minutes in.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Then I was watching a third minute in to do my medium.
Speaker A:And my last minute, I basically used all my finish.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, listen, Don, we appreciate you for doing this.
Speaker A:Not a problem.
Speaker A:Thank you for supporting mt.
Speaker A:Thank you for supporting the first ever thank for Action competition.
Speaker A:And yeah, I mean, thankfully, you know, thanks for coming all the way from Canada.
Speaker A:Oh, I know you didn't come here just for this, but you never know, you know, for sure.
Speaker A:Thank you, sir.
Speaker A:All right, thanks a lot.
Speaker A:All right, thank you.
Speaker A:All right, it's day two.
Speaker A:It's Alex with Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:We're at the paint correction competition.
Speaker A:We've got Mark all the way from down under, Australia.
Speaker A:So we had two Canadians yesterday.
Speaker A:Now we got an Australian look.
Speaker A:When I said it's NFL international, we're international.
Speaker A:So, Mark, first time at MT from Australia, right?
Speaker A:Yes, that's right.
Speaker A:What do you think of the show so far?
Speaker A:Oh, it's a fantastic.
Speaker A:It's a detail is heaven.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I know we were able to squeeze you into the bank correction competition because obviously you're from Australia and everything.
Speaker A:What do you think of it, like, as far as the bank correction competition goes?
Speaker A:What are your thoughts?
Speaker A:How did we do?
Speaker A:No, I think it's great the way how it's done and set out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It just shows you how good you are also, too.
Speaker A:And just.
Speaker A:Yeah, the results.
Speaker A:The results speak for themselves.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker A:Now, I saw you brought your own stuff, you said, did you have some secret Australian chemicals?
Speaker A:No, not at all.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker A:Just from the training over the years and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker A:Always updating yourself and skills and things like that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's how I move on.
Speaker A:So what did you feel about the pan?
Speaker A:How did you like the.
Speaker A:The scuffing of the.
Speaker A:The pan, the pain overall?
Speaker A:Like, what were your thoughts?
Speaker A:The scuffing seemed to be very, well, even.
Speaker A:And then while inspecting the panel of doing the the first stage of compounding things like that, you know, inspecting it, finding out what's going on, see how it's reacting with the polish and then just.
Speaker A:Yeah, just play along and see what, what, see what's happening with heat and speed and, and movement and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Move on to the second stage, which is the policy stage.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now the five minute time limit, you ran pretty close to the end there with your polish.
Speaker A:Do you feel like that five minute was a little too.
Speaker A:Too little, not.
Speaker A:Not enough?
Speaker A:Or do you feel like maybe it was just right and you just took.
Speaker A:Took all the way too limit?
Speaker A:Well, I guess, I guess being the first time using that panel.
Speaker A:Yeah, I guess, I guess the, the first stage was to find out exactly where I'm at and then finding out what's going on.
Speaker A:And then the, the last section of the panel was the.
Speaker A:Okay, let's just refine.
Speaker A:Cuz I was stretching it at the very last second.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker A:Well, listen, Mark.
Speaker A:Sorry, a.
Speaker A:It's not a thing to be mucked around and.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Well, they're getting ready to do the next one, so we want to get out of the way.
Speaker A:We appreciate you coming all the way from Australia supporting Mobile Tech Expo and also the Paint Correction competition.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I wish you luck.
Speaker A:Thank you, Alex.
Speaker A:We'll find out later and I look forward to talking to you on the podcast later.
Speaker A:Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker A:We'll see you guys soon.
Speaker A:All right, guys, Alex from Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm back with Anthony from Next Zen.
Speaker A:Next Zen.
Speaker A:Next Zen.
Speaker A:So how'd you do?
Speaker A:How do you think?
Speaker A:Well, I got really, really high numbers.
Speaker A:They're telling me.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, there was a little burn spot.
Speaker A:Okay, so you're the first person to burn through.
Speaker A:Mike Phillips yesterday was talking about how hard this paint is.
Speaker A:Do I get a reward for that?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe we'll get to.
Speaker A:We'll get you a burn through award.
Speaker A:And I dropped my towel and I was looking for my towel and I just felt so.
Speaker A:So overall, what do you think of the competition, this being the first year and us doing this?
Speaker A:You know, I like it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The only thing I would probably recommend maybe a little bit larger panels.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because in that five minutes.
Speaker C:Well, especially for me, you know, you're.
Speaker A:Going, you're going, you're going.
Speaker A:So you do build up some good amount of heat.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then again, you probably offset it with the amount of paint that might be on there.
Speaker A:Right, exactly.
Speaker A:Less on quality.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because you're the only one burned through.
Speaker A:So Far, Yeah.
Speaker A:So let me ask you this.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously you've got a brand here at mte.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:What made you want to do this?
Speaker A:Was that one badass.
Speaker A:He actually entered me.
Speaker A:Oh, Mark.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Joel.
Speaker A:Oh, the founder of Next Gen.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we're next in usa.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And jokingly, he sent a message.
Speaker A:Message, like he wants to win the contest.
Speaker A:And then before I knew it, he sent me another message.
Speaker A:I answered you.
Speaker A:Oh, great.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it was good.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker A:It's fun, you know, awesome.
Speaker A:And that's really what it's about.
Speaker A:You're here at mte, you're meeting great people, sharing ideas, all that good stuff.
Speaker A:Right, Exactly.
Speaker A:Well, listen, I appreciate you doing it, even though you got thrown to the walls, nice to have the support from the brands in the industry with this, along with just kind of the everyday, you know, detailers.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think we have a pretty good mix of all of that, which I think is going to have a great, great turnout at the end.
Speaker A:And we filled going into next year.
Speaker A:I wish you luck.
Speaker A:Look forward to it.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:All right, Next year, I won't burn paint.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker A:All right, guys, it's Alex again with the Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with Mike, who just finished that is the bank, his time slot, the paint correction competition.
Speaker A:So, Mike, how do you feel, man, I feel amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:I had a blast doing this actually, for the first year doing it.
Speaker A:I'm glad they actually brought us to the MTV show this year.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:So what made you want to sign up for it?
Speaker A:So I'm kind of new to detail.
Speaker A:I'm three years into detailing, and my skills, I feel like, are immaculate.
Speaker A:So I just wanted to put them to test against everybody, everybody else in the country.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:So now that you've done it, how do you feel about the competition as a whole?
Speaker A:Because obviously, when we were first announcing this, there was a lot of questions.
Speaker A:There was kind of a lot of like, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:So doing it, how do you think we did?
Speaker A:So I think it's a lot of variables, and within this competition, I think it's great for the industry also.
Speaker A:I think it's very.
Speaker A:I think a lot of people actually start getting more into it now that going along with the Dent competition, I think a lot of people start getting more into it, but I think as a setup, as the standard for it, I think it's phenomenal.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:I think it'll get better alone as the years have come.
Speaker A:But for Our first year for the, for first start, I think it was phenomenal.
Speaker A:How did you feel about the five minutes?
Speaker A:Good enough.
Speaker A:Too rushed.
Speaker A:Need more time.
Speaker A:I felt like I didn't need it, but I probably could have used maybe to like seven minutes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I think that would have been a great gray area, but for competition wise, I think it was perfect for.
Speaker A:And, and the overall pan itself.
Speaker A:Yes, the pan was, was great.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker B:Was great.
Speaker A:Listen, Mike, we appreciate you for supporting MTE and correction competition.
Speaker A:Good luck.
Speaker A:We'll find out at 4:30 and.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:Appreciate.
Speaker A:Thank you all.
Speaker A:We'll see you guys soon.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:Alex, again with the detail solutions podcast and I'm here with Tyler who just finished his pan for the Pinkler She Don competitions with Tyler.
Speaker A:How do you feel?
Speaker A:Could have been a little better, but I'm happy.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Jason's happy, I'm happy.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:See how we stack up.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So knowing that this is the first year for the fan correction competition and everything like that, what made you want to jump in and do it?
Speaker A:It's my first year coming to empty hole or actually it's my first professional detail anything.
Speaker A:I did it for 15 years.
Speaker A:I've never been to SEMA.
Speaker A:I've never been to a training class, I've never been to an expo.
Speaker A:So I was like, if I'm going with do it, why not?
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:So how do you feel about the, the setup, the pan and all that stuff?
Speaker A:I feel it's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cuz that was my, my big curiosity was like, what?
Speaker A:How do you control the variables?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, so the pan with the wet sand, like that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So did nerves play into any part of this?
Speaker A:Especially because you had a nice little crowd watching you.
Speaker A:It's kind of later in the second day.
Speaker A:Was it bothering me until I looked up and I'm like seeing everybody.
Speaker A:But no, just.
Speaker A:It's like you're in your shop staring at paint.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, and the five minute time frame, how did you feel about that?
Speaker A:Like when I first got into my cutting, I'm like, oh, we got plenty of time, you know.
Speaker A:And then you get to the middle zone, you get to that last minute and it's like.
Speaker A:And I wiped off and it was like I was happy, but I was like a little bit more time.
Speaker A:And that was kind of the thing, you know, I mean we're, we're detailers.
Speaker A:We could spend like three, three weeks on this fan.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Get closer and closer.
Speaker A:So we wanted to make sure that, you know, we obviously got it.
Speaker A:You know, we wanted a little bit of a tight crunch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But still have it be comfortable.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Listen, Tyler, I appreciate you for doing this for the first one supporting MTE Correction competition.
Speaker A:Honest.
Speaker A:And good luck, man.
Speaker A:We'll see what happens.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:All right, guys.
Speaker A:Alex, back again with the detail solution from the Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with Ona, our first female competitor, our only female competitor because we had another one that dropped out.
Speaker A:So you jumped in kind of unexpectedly.
Speaker A:So tell me.
Speaker A:Unexpectedly, right?
Speaker A:So tell me, like, not planning on signing this up, signing up for this and jumping right in.
Speaker A:How was it?
Speaker A:Nerve wracking.
Speaker A:Because Jackie, he came to me.
Speaker A:That's over there.
Speaker A:She said, onika, no females have been entered.
Speaker A:I'm gonna root for you to enter.
Speaker A:I said, well, if we get it, no problem.
Speaker A:And she went around, she came up with it, and she said, onika, I have everything for you to enter.
Speaker A:Enter.
Speaker A:How can I say no?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So tell me a little bit.
Speaker A:What do you think about the bank correction competition?
Speaker A:Because obviously this is the first year we're doing it at mte.
Speaker A:Like, how do you feel about it?
Speaker A:For me, this is the first time I've entered a competition with regards to paint correction.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:When I'm doing paint correction, I usually move very slow.
Speaker A:So it was very challenging for you.
Speaker A:Okay, Definitely very challenging, but good idea.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:How do you feel about the pan?
Speaker A:Was it good to work with, like, not, like, enough defects, but not anything too crazy for you?
Speaker A:No, it was.
Speaker A:It was perfect for me.
Speaker A:It was perfect.
Speaker A:Another small.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then the time frame, five minutes, was that we didn't want to make it too easy because, listen, we know.
Speaker A:We all know detailers.
Speaker A:We could spend three weeks on that pan to make it.
Speaker A:Thank you very much.
Speaker A:The time frame is realistic.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Time frame is very realistic.
Speaker A:Because sometimes, you know, you are on a paying job and you just keep focusing on this one part that you think you're not corrected.
Speaker A:It's over.
Speaker A:The time frame.
Speaker A:It makes you click.
Speaker A:It makes you think right.
Speaker A:Coming down to the end, and you realize, okay, I just had 30 seconds, and I just kept my eyes on the.
Speaker A:On the timer because if I watched, it would have never happened.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Well, listen, I appreciate you for jumping.
Speaker C:In and doing this.
Speaker A:I know it's last.
Speaker A:I'm glad that we did have a female competitor.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:Good luck.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I hope you.
Speaker A:I hope you do really well.
Speaker A:And we'll see at 4:30.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:All right, guys, Alex again with detail solutions podcast.
Speaker A:And I've got Aaron AKA Knoxy Knox here, who jumped into the competition late because he was circling like a shark and blood infested waters for the last day.
Speaker A:So first of all, thank you for doing this.
Speaker A:I think somebody of your.
Speaker A:Your stature, how little it is I cost.
Speaker A:I'll get your listen.
Speaker A:So what do you think of the competition overall?
Speaker A:Cuz I know initially you were going to help us do this and then you couldn't and so you kind of helped me along the way with some suggestions and stuff, with our stuff.
Speaker A:How do you think we did?
Speaker A:All in all, I love it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That's why I couldn't stay away from it.
Speaker A:I wanted to see the intricacies of it.
Speaker A:I wanted to see how it was being put together.
Speaker A:The overall presentation, as you can see, everything is extremely, like, calculated.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Which is great.
Speaker A:But more importantly, I think what this is doing for our industry and our culture is being able to be a little bit more excited and proud of what you do without being accused that you're just an egomaniac.
Speaker A:We all want that sort of like, you know, recognition, if you will.
Speaker A:But I would rather know how good I am in this competition and I look forward to seeing it in the future years because it's just going to give more people excitement, more people a reason to be in our industry and really dive into it.
Speaker A:So what did you think of the pan overall as far as like, how the paint was, how, how it was scuffed and things like that?
Speaker C:I think it was good enough.
Speaker A:Or should we change it for next year?
Speaker A:I think the pan does its job.
Speaker A:You know, the, the, the defects and what's in it.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:You know, you can always maybe improve a little bit more, but all in all, I thought it was suitable for what we were doing.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Now, knowing that this competition was going on, you didn't jump in coming here and seeing it.
Speaker A:What was it about seeing it live that just had you itching to like, try to get into it?
Speaker A:I think it's just the participation part of it.
Speaker A:You know, I just wanted to, to experience it and, you know, it's always nice to be able to like, get in, experience it, you know, get the EBGB's out of the way and then, you know, at the end of the day, if I lose, I lose.
Speaker A:And I'll take that with, with humility.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker A:So listen, I appreciate so Noxy for doing this.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Thank you for supporting MTE in the first ever paint correction competition.
Speaker A:Good luck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We'll see if you win.
Speaker A:Yeah, I need that mic drive.
Speaker A:Alex, again with the Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm here with Steve Berger, who just finished his time at the paint correction competition.
Speaker A:So, Steve, I appreciate, first of all, I appreciate all the help and support you've been the last, like, month or so with, with raising questions and raising awareness for this.
Speaker A:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker A:So now that you've seen it.
Speaker A:Because you've asked me all the questions.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now that you've actually seen it, how did the presentation ahead of time meet the expectation of.
Speaker A:Actually, it was 100.
Speaker A:Everything that you said is, is how it is.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's amazing to see how everything is panned down and the, the, the way that everything is tested is you really can't.
Speaker A:Can't alter it.
Speaker A:I would say so, yeah.
Speaker A:100%.
Speaker A:I think everything that was said before the event is dead on to what it is right now.
Speaker A:What are your thoughts on the pan as far as the paint, the way it was sanded, all that stuff freehand to try to try and make it even.
Speaker A:I know I saw some of the, the panels maybe were like hand sanded.
Speaker A:I know a couple other guys may have complained about it.
Speaker A:Should have been like machine sanded, but.
Speaker A:Right again, this is the first year.
Speaker A:Can't complain about anything.
Speaker A:Sandy marks or.
Speaker A:Sandy Marks.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Doesn't matter how they were put on.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly the five minute time frame.
Speaker A:I know we kind of talked about that before.
Speaker A:So how now doing it in the five minutes.
Speaker A:Obviously you had time to spare.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think five minutes is a perfect amount of time.
Speaker A:Okay, awesome.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Were there any nerves in this?
Speaker A:I mean, did you.
Speaker A:I mean, you're, you're, you're, you're ice cold anyway, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm the worst.
Speaker A:I monotone the whole entire way.
Speaker A:But I think that just because everyone's staring at you and you're like, doing things that probably they may not approve, so.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But that's about it.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Well, listen, Steve, I appreciate you doing this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I appreciate, again, all the support that you did and all the different groups of trying to bring awareness to it.
Speaker A:Good luck.
Speaker A:Your band looked amazing.
Speaker A:So we'll see what happens.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker A:And hopefully we'll see you next year.
Speaker A:Oh, I'll be here next year.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Thank you, sir.
Speaker A:It's Alex again with the Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:It is Bob from Cartwright, and he's the last one.
Speaker A:We're finally done.
Speaker A:We had a blast.
Speaker A:Bob, what'd you think?
Speaker A:I just Had a fun time.
Speaker A:I seen it, you know, going and basically, you know, I wanted to have some fun and, you know, throwing the towels and, and throwing the, the headband, it's just something that just adds something to the fun.
Speaker A:And it's not, it's about the industry and whether I win or lose, it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's about having fun.
Speaker A:I love the competition.
Speaker A:I think it's pretty doggone fair.
Speaker A:And I, I had a lot of fun.
Speaker A:I really did.
Speaker A:I really did.
Speaker A:So what'd you think about the pan setup?
Speaker A:Like, I mean, as far as, like how we painted it, how we scuffed it, how we actually had it set up and everything like that.
Speaker A:I'm a painter by my field.
Speaker A:I basically planted all types of paints.
Speaker A:I do his history of paints seminars.
Speaker A:I did one on Wednesday on the history of paints.
Speaker A:So I love painting.
Speaker A:I love working on some of the single stage paints.
Speaker A:So basically, yeah, I think that you guys did a great job.
Speaker A:As far as.
Speaker A:It's not an exact science, I'm sure, but it's pretty damn close.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then as far as the five minute time limit, like, I know you actually didn't go all the way to your five minutes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, you still had a couple.
Speaker A:Yeah, I had 10 seconds.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I thought I had more time, but Jason kept me on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I thought I had a little more time and really I still had Chronicle there with 10 seconds to go, so probably could have put a little more time in, like the wipe down, but sometimes if you wipe it too much, it goes the other way.
Speaker A:I just wanted to get it off and get going, but I hope whoever wins the best for them.
Speaker A:And I just had fun.
Speaker A:I don't know if anybody had any more fun than I did.
Speaker A:I can tell you that.
Speaker A:I definitely had a big crowd.
Speaker A:Did that put any nerves on you?
Speaker A:Because you had people chanting for you and hooting and hollering and of course, then when you were throwing the towels and the pads and everything, everybody was cheering, just trying to, just trying to get the crowd involved.
Speaker A:And I got a great support team with the detailers of the round table.
Speaker A:There's an amazing group.
Speaker A:Jason was very good with helping me keeping my time, you know, you guys did.
Speaker A:Jason did a great job.
Speaker A:Everybody did a great job.
Speaker A:I had great.
Speaker A:I thought they were going to do the wave or something for a minute.
Speaker A:Well, listen, Bob, I appreciate you for all the support with Mobile Tech Expo and the, the first ever Plank Correction competition.
Speaker A:You did a great job, guys.
Speaker A:You Did a great job.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:And good luck.
Speaker A:I think it's going to go out.
Speaker A:We'll see what happens.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you very much.
Speaker A:Thank you, Sami.
Speaker A:Thanks, man.
Speaker A:Alex Russell here with the Detail Solutions podcast.
Speaker A:I'm with Jason Rose.
Speaker A:It is over.
Speaker A:The paint correction competition is done.
Speaker A:Jason, you helped us from the concept of this to execution.
Speaker A:How do you feel?
Speaker A:Did we check all the boxes?
Speaker A:Did we do all the things we set out to do?
Speaker A:You know, I think it went better than we expected.
Speaker A:And usually the first time out on programs like this, a lot of things go wrong.
Speaker A:And we did have bumps in the road the first couple hours, like, devices didn't cooperate.
Speaker A:Batteries, you know, ran out and, you know, little things like that.
Speaker B:But we.
Speaker A:We pivoted, we corrected those.
Speaker A:We do have some things we want to fine tune for next year, but overall, I think it went really well.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the feedback from the competitors has been really great.
Speaker A:Like, everybody's been excited about it.
Speaker A:They just were kind of like, hey, wanted to do it for fun.
Speaker A:Don't really care if I win.
Speaker A:So I think that was kind of relieving, at least for me, because, you know, everything that we talked about in planning this was to try and have as less negativity.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Or concerns as possible.
Speaker A:So make it fun and make it fair, you know?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Or make it fun.
Speaker A:And one of the things that we did to just make it totally fair is we took the human eyes and the body biases from human judges.
Speaker A:We took that out.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So there was nobody looking saying, oh, that's.
Speaker A:That's the best finish.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:We are using all electronics, we're using science, and we're using very specific finish quality measurements.
Speaker A:So there's.
Speaker B:There's no opinion.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's a number.
Speaker A:It's a fact.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Even to the point to where the only contact from us really was just awesome.
Speaker A:Swapping the pans in and out.
Speaker A:I mean, we didn't wipe them, really.
Speaker A:We didn't do any of the metering.
Speaker A:We didn't.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:So, again, we wanted to take out that, you know, possibility of.
Speaker A:Well, they did.
Speaker A:They did.
Speaker A:They did.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Thanks.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Very excited.
Speaker A:I want to thank you, Mr.
Speaker A:Rose, for.
Speaker A:I appreciate.
Speaker A:For helping us out with this, but this is really your dream.
Speaker A:You drove this for.
Speaker A:You're the one that made this happen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I took it over from somebody else, but.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:You know, but I.
Speaker A:But if you hate it and it's terrible, it's his fault.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But I appreciate you and all the people on the committee who stepped up to help us do this, I appreciate you for actually being here in the booth remote days to help educate everybody at exactly what is going on and how it works.
Speaker A:And when they had questions about the machine, you were able to kind of explain that to them.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I look forward to looking or I look forward to working with you again on next year.
Speaker A:I'm really excited about next year.
Speaker A:I think we're going to have some better things for next year.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Appreciate it.
Speaker B:Y.
Speaker C:All right, everybody, that is a wrap on the paint correction competition episode.
Speaker C:I hope all this information answers all the questions that you guys have about the competition.
Speaker C:How we did it, how it was put on, how it was judged, the feedback from the competitors, with all of the interviews that we did in this episode as well.
Speaker C:If you have any suggestions, any comments, Sheldon is actually putting up a suggestion box on the MTE Live Paint Correction competition website.
Speaker C:So if you go to MTE Live, click on the Paint Correction Competition tab, and there should be a section there where you can leave your feedback.
Speaker C:Comments.
Speaker C:We really want to make sure that next year is even better than this year.
Speaker C:So we will take those comments and those suggestions to heart and take them to the committee and try to put them in.
Speaker C:So thank you so much for making the first year an awesome competition.
Speaker C:I hope everybody that has FOMO on it is there next year.
Speaker C:I'm excited to see what we do.
Speaker C:I think we've got some great ideas, and we really need your guys's help to make this a thing.
Speaker C:So that's the whole thing, man.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's for our industry.
Speaker C:It's for our thing.
Speaker C:Dental Olympics.
Speaker C:PDR has the Dental Olympics.
Speaker C:We have a paint correction competition.
Speaker C:Whether you think it's a home run or not, like, let's support it.
Speaker C:It's for us.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And if you don't think it's a home run, suggestion box, please.
Speaker C:All right, everybody, that's it for this episode.
Speaker C:Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker C:Take care.
Speaker C:Bye.
